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Need help to sort out map placement on my nuvi

Nuvi 3590.

I attempted to update City Navigator Europe NTU 2017.1 using mapinstall, only to be told it was over by 3.94 GB.

Mapinstall says I have City Europe NTU 2017.30 already installed 1.97 GB and CN Europe NTU 2018.10 404.5 MB

The nuvi has 926 MB free of 7.28 GB and a memory card 12.5 GB free of 14.8 GB

I would like to have all maps on the sd card so ask, how can I do that from where I am at the moment? I would be happy to obtain a larger card if necessary.

Comments

  • alanb 374 Points
    Why would you want to install 2017.1 if you already have 2017.3? Or did you mean you tried to install 2018.1 which I think is the current Europe map?

    In any case, assuming you have lifetime map updates, your best bet is to use Garmin Express and let it handle the update. It sounds like you have a 16 GB SD card and that should be sufficient.

    Since you have a mix of map versions some of which you apparently installed with MapInstall or some other method, Garmin Express might not properly delete all the old map files. If that happens you may have some manual; cleanup to do after the Express map update
  • Chris_Sav 58 Points
    edited August 12
    2018.10 is the current EU map and the complete map is a lot bigger than 404.5 meg
  • makem 96 Points
    alanb said:

    Why would you want to install 2017.1 if you already have 2017.3? Or did you mean you tried to install 2018.1 which I think is the current Europe map?

    In any case, assuming you have lifetime map updates, your best bet is to use Garmin Express and let it handle the update. It sounds like you have a 16 GB SD card and that should be sufficient.

    Since you have a mix of map versions some of which you apparently installed with MapInstall or some other method, Garmin Express might not properly delete all the old map files. If that happens you may have some manual; cleanup to do after the Express map update

    I didn't 'want' to install anything. 'It', whatever program I used to update moths ago did it.

    This is what I have ended up with as I do have lifetime updates, I just connect and let it do its thing.

    As far as I am aware there was, webupdate, express and mapinstall, anyone of which should deal with updates and I cannot remember which if not more than one, I used.

    Now, I have unused space but cannot install the whole map so I ask for assistance and if necessary, removing everything and only installing the latest software.
  • Tim 1459 Points
    Hey @makem, I got your message and have reviewed your account and don't see anything out of the ordinary. The message you described doesn't sound like any sort of message/window this site uses nor asks for. If you can, please try from a different computer or a different browser. (Not as a solution, but as a troubleshooting step.)
  • alanb 374 Points
    edited August 15
    MapInstall handles the update differently than Garmin Express, as it only installs the map file, none of the special feature files like Garmin Express does.

    One way you could accomplish what you want is to use cloning to install the full current map of Europe to a SD card. Then once you have tested the new maps on your device, you can delete the old map files. This gets a little tricky on newer devices like the 3590, as there are other files that get installed with the map update (junction views, voice recognition, and other advanced feature files). These files from the old maps also need to be manually deleted from the device after the cloning process is finished. What makes this somewhat difficult is that these special feature files have different names from one map version to the next. You can usually use the file dates to determine which files go with each map update.
  • makem 96 Points
    Tim said:

    Hey @makem, I got your message and have reviewed your account and don't see anything out of the ordinary. The message you described doesn't sound like any sort of message/window this site uses nor asks for. If you can, please try from a different computer or a different browser. (Not as a solution, but as a troubleshooting step.)

    I use Linux 99.9% of the time, only using window if I have to. So, I have been accessing this forum from Linux via Chrome and have this small black window asking me to update my email address. It seems to have sorted itself but still pops up when I change passwords. If it occurs again I will post again. It may be related to Linux/Chrome. When I first encountered that window I checked it source before clicking on it. It showed a gpsreview source.

    This post is made from windows via firefox. When I get time I will test changes from windows.

    Was my method of contacting you correct as I couldn't find any other way.

  • Tim 1459 Points
    makem said:

    Was my method of contacting you correct as I couldn't find any other way.

    That's totally fine-- glad you can post, sorry I don't have much of an answer for you otherwise but I'll be on the lookout.

  • makem 96 Points
    alanb said:

    MapInstall handles the update differently than Garmin Express, as it only installs the map file, none of the special feature files like Garmin Express does.

    One way you could accomplish what you want is to use cloning to install the full current map of Europe to a SD card. Then once you have tested the new maps on your device, you can delete the old map files. This gets a little tricky on newer devices like the 3590, as there are other files that get installed with the map update (junction views, voice recognition, and other advanced feature files). These files from the old maps also need to be manually deleted from the device after the cloning process is finished. What makes this somewhat difficult is that these special feature files have different names from one map version to the next. You can usually use the file dates to determine which files go with each map update.

    Before I delve into making changes or cloning I think I should present the current position fully.

    I have successfully updated using mapinstall and I now have 2018.10 EU map fully installed, so it says. (Done before reading your post)

    Garmin Express and webupdater also agree that everything is up to date.

    Following that update, when I started up the nuvi I was present with the message, "You have CN Europe NTU 2017.10 installed and this is out of date. It needs updating."

    I looked in 'My Maps' and saw that I have the maps:

    CN Europe NTU 2017.10
    TIRANE, SHQIPERIA, GRAZ, OSTERREICH, SANKT POLTEN
    CN Europe NTU 2017.30 All South
    Europe DEM
    CN Europe NTU 2018.10 3D
    CN Europe NTU 2018.10 UK & Ireland

    The contents of the MAP folder on the SD card is as follows:

    4c32fc23-abcf-4fc4-af84-bb03beab50e3.gma size 3 KB
    City Navigator Europe NTU 2017.1.img size 4,123,136 KB
    D6210020A.gma size 3 KB
    D6210020A.img size 2,070,336 KB
    D6210020A.unl size 1 KB

    There is also a Garmin folder and a cache2 folder on the SD card

    I have 2 GB free on the Nuvi and 8.6 GB free on the SD card.

    I hope you can make sense of this.


  • alanb 374 Points
    edited August 15
    You also have some map files in the \.system folder of internal storage and possibly more in the \Map folder in internal storage. There can also be map files in the \Garmin folders of internal storage and the SD card. This is one of the things that can happen when using multiple programs (MapInstall and Garmin Express) to install maps. I don't think Garmin Express alone can clean this up for you. And without having your device in hand to see what other files might be affected in folders \.system\JCV, \.system\ASR, \.system\SID and \.system\SQLite, I would not attempt to advise you on how to clean it up, as deleting the wrong things might brick your device.

    My advice is to call Garmin support and let them access your device remotely so they can assist in the cleanup and map reinstall.
  • sussamb 664 Points
    Definitely a bit of a mess and, as alanb says, probably best to call Garmin. The reason you're getting the message about updating maps is that you appear to have only a small subset of the latest map installed, no doubt because of the other maps you also have.
  • makem 96 Points
    I've just been up to Sweden via Netherlands and Germany using Google maps. Off to Japan soon so will use Google again there. Those are the reasons for the Nuvi being out of date and in a mess when I forgot what I had been using to update. Thinking now, do I still need the Nuvi? Maybe a case for Ebay. Wife also has GM so................
  • Boyd 1792 Points
    makem said:

    Thinking now, do I still need the Nuvi?

    Ah, the "moment of truth" has arrived for you, as it will someday for everyone. Well... maybe not for @sussamb, but for everyone else at least. :D
  • makem 96 Points
    ROFLMAO
  • alanb 374 Points
    @makem ... here is a thought that might simplify your cleanup:

    If you remove the SD card and boot the nuvi without the card, what is shown for installed maps in MyMaps?
  • makem 96 Points
    Device will restart etc.
    Europe DEM
    CN Europe NTU 2018.10 3D
    CN Europe NTU 2018.10 UK & Ireland

    So all on internal memory with 2gb left over!
    Seems I can safely delete everything on the SD card? Better ask before I mess up again.
  • alanb 374 Points
    It would seem that you could eliminate the SD card if all you need is UK and Ireland. If you want to reinstall 2018.10 to get more complete coverage, use Garmin Express, not MapInstall. Put a freshly formatted SD card in the device so Garmin Express can use it if it needs the space. Garmin Express should take care of the rest.
  • sussamb 664 Points
    Boyd said:

    makem said:

    Thinking now, do I still need the Nuvi?

    Ah, the "moment of truth" has arrived for you, as it will someday for everyone. Well... maybe not for @sussamb, but for everyone else at least. :D
    :) yep I won't be moving to a smart phone anytime soon, at least not as a GPS for my car ;)

  • makem 96 Points
    sussamb said:

    Boyd said:

    makem said:

    Thinking now, do I still need the Nuvi?

    Ah, the "moment of truth" has arrived for you, as it will someday for everyone. Well... maybe not for @sussamb, but for everyone else at least. :D
    :) yep I won't be moving to a smart phone anytime soon, at least not as a GPS for my car ;)

    Why not? It seems smaller, lighter, saves having two items doing same job, has more travel related facilities.

  • makem 96 Points
    alanb said:

    It would seem that you could eliminate the SD card if all you need is UK and Ireland. If you want to reinstall 2018.10 to get more complete coverage, use Garmin Express, not MapInstall. Put a freshly formatted SD card in the device so Garmin Express can use it if it needs the space. Garmin Express should take care of the rest.

    I will reformat the SD card but I seem to remember when I needed an SD card I had to make a MAP folder on it before installing the map to the SD card.

    Is it now done automatically by Garmin Express?

  • sussamb 664 Points
    Yes.
  • sussamb 664 Points
    makem said:

    sussamb said:

    Boyd said:

    makem said:

    Thinking now, do I still need the Nuvi?

    Ah, the "moment of truth" has arrived for you, as it will someday for everyone. Well... maybe not for @sussamb, but for everyone else at least. :D
    :) yep I won't be moving to a smart phone anytime soon, at least not as a GPS for my car ;)

    Why not? It seems smaller, lighter, saves having two items doing same job, has more travel related facilities.

    Well for one it doesn't integrate as well with BaseCamp. I could also use my phone when hiking but have a dedicated GPS. There are many reasons why a specialised device is right for me, those reasons won't apply to everyone and so they may be perfectly happy using a phone.

  • makem 96 Points
    I see.
    I reformatted the SD card and installed the full Europe map. GM said the SD card must be kept ib or the unit would not start. Incorrect, it does start with just the Europe North and 3D. But of course you would keep it in.
    Now I have a decision to make, keep and little if ever use of let someone make use of it.
  • makem 96 Points
    Decision made; in Wales mountains signal was lost so no navigation aid. I had not taken the Garmin and of course it was difficult to navigate. The Garmin will be kept.

    Can anyone tell me if, I kept it in the car, would there be any repercussions if it was permanently connected to power? It would avoid having to check monthly that it had some charge. Or, alternatively never charged but connected to power as and when needed.,
  • sussamb 664 Points
    If it's completely shut down charging it once a month should be sufficient if you're not using it frequently.
  • makem 96 Points
    Yes, I am aware of that but would prefer not to 'look after it'.

    Hence power 24/7 or only when used.
  • Boyd 1792 Points
    edited August 29
    makem said:

    Decision made; in Wales mountains signal was lost so no navigation aid.

    Not sure if I understand this. What "signal" did you lose? I assume you were using your phone? What kind of phone - how old is it? If you were using Google Maps then it shouldn't be too big of a surprise that there will be places with no cell service.

    But if you install an app with its own maps stored on the phone, it should be very comparable to a Nuvi unless it's an older phone. TomTom, HERE, Navigon and Garmin all have apps with maps onboard. The Garmin StreetPilot app looks pretty much the same as a Nuvi, but it is only available for iOS.

    TomTom is definitely worth looking at, it has free maps of the whole world that you install. You can drive for 50 miles in demo mode without purchasing. Available on Android and iOS.
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