Navigon 1.2 Update and FREE Map Update!

L0stS0ul 0 Points
edited November -1 in NAVIGON Forum
Go here and log in:
https://www.navigon.com/site/us/en/my_navigon/unauthorized/products_us/freshMaps

You will see the following info on Navigon Fresh:
NAVIGON FreshMaps keeps your NAVIGON device up-to-date for years to come. The first NAVIGON FreshMaps update will be available July 2008 and extend for a period of three years thereafter. We'll notify you by email when your first map update is available--better yet, sign up for our newsletter to make sure you receive news on all NAVIGON software and map updates.
Also of note is the information on the 1.2 software release availble for the 2100 on April 22'nd:
Software Update 1.2* continues to build on the NAVIGON software framework with a series of exciting improvements to North American NAVIGON GPS Navigators, chief among them are:

Improved routing
Updated ZAGAT SURVEY Ratings & Reviews
Improved user interface
Revised voice prompts for highway entrances & exit ramps
Improved accuracy of ETA information
And then finally when you go to the download page you will find this note (most important to many of us I would imagine)
Note that Software Update 1.2 includes a free complimentary map update at a file size of up to 2GB. This download might take several hours depending on your internet connection. For a smooth download, ensure an uninterrupted connection.
Great news all the way around I'd say
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  • njlarry 0 Points
    Thanks for the info.
    Navigon continues to impress. Their customer service is fantastic, they are english speaking Americans that know the product and take ownership of the problem. Hope Navigon gets into the laptop business.
  • infama 0 Points
    Thanks for the info.
    Navigon continues to impress. Their customer service is fantastic, they are english speaking Americans that know the product and take ownership of the problem. Hope Navigon gets into the laptop business.
    Wow,

    Navigon is smoking!

    Where is AngelArs to crow about this?
  • coop 0 Points
    If I understood this right, the 1.2 update for the 7100 will be available on April 30

    Which the map update was a little earlier, going on a trip in June
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    The 7100 should be getting the software and the free map update as well this month. So should the 5100.
  • coop 0 Points
    How do you get a Service Accessory Card so that you can
    "Enter your Activation Key here. This can be found on the back of your Service Accessory Card (it consists of three blocks of five characters). Click on Help for additional guidance should you need it.
    "

    I am guessing that you will need this to get "fresh Maps"
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    I'd imagine they do the same thing as they do with the traffic and zagat ratings features. You buy a card and then activate it with your unit. That's a guess though but based off this link probably a good one

    http://www.amazon.com/Navigon-FreshMaps-Map-Update-Service/dp/B0014GBX64/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207276288&sr=8-2
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    Version 1.2 for 2100 is now available

    Downloading now. It's slow going though. Currently telling me 12 hours yet to download. It's 1.55GB in size.
  • elkinm 0 Points
    Version 1.2 for 2100 is now available

    Downloading now. It's slow going though. Currently telling me 12 hours yet to download. It's 1.55GB in size.
    Have you tried using the free download manager recommended by Navigon?

    I have a 6 Meg connection and the download was sustained at 690 KN/sec and finished in less then 40 minutes.
    The fastest sustained download I have ever had.
    I will post a full review when it is ready.
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    Yeah I gave up on the file download when it hit 12 hours and switched to the firefox one. Much faster. Only saying an hour left
  • infama 0 Points
    Yeah I gave up on the file download when it hit 12 hours and switched to the firefox one. Much faster. Only saying an hour left
    What is this Firefox thing?
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    http://www.downthemall.net/

    It's a download manager that downloads files in chunks instead of all at once.
  • infama 0 Points
    Thanks
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    Well I just finished the upgrade and ran a few tests on some routes I know had issues with the previous software and map. Here's a few things I noticed

    1. First off this is a new map. There are roads in this one that were missing in the previous map. Looks like a late 2007 map I'd imagine.

    2. The interface is definitally faster. They now have menu animations turned off by default and the screens that load saved locations now are a lot faster. The auto complete is also a lot faster and does not seem to be lagging anymore.

    3. I've run a few tests on some routes and it is definitally choosing much better routes then it used to for some of the more common trips I do. A lot more like I do it which is good.

    4. It does appear to still have one problem that the previous software had when in route planning mode. There's this one intersection where when in route planning mode it skips the ramp that turns across the street and goes down to a stop light and then u-turns and catches the ramp going the other way. It does not do this when in live navigation. Only when doing route planning. Not sure why that is.

    5. The ETA's still seem to be off by quite a bit though. On of my normal trips that takes 45-50 minutes the navigon is telling me 1:18 taking the same exact route I go.

    Will continue to play with it.
  • elkinm 0 Points
    I installed the 1.2 update on my 2100 and have been playing with for a while.

    1. Routing.
    The 1.2 update should have better routing as well as avoid excessive turns and unexpected highway exits.
    This does come into work as it does avoid extra turns and does tend to stay longer on expressways.
    However, with some testing I discovered that issues that existed with the 1.1 version still existed especially off expressways, and in some cases it would stay on an expressway to long making the route worse.
    The ApplicationSettings.xml seemed rather unchanged so the routing is not perfect.
    In the “Car Normal” section of the ApplicationSettings.xml file I changed the PreferenceFactor_US settings to 1.0 for every one.
    The resulting routes were greatly improved with speed and distance the only considerations. These settings gave me the best routes with 1.1, but they were even better with 1.2 as it avoided excessive turns.
    The other thing is that the last 3 City values under SpeedProfile_US are too slow. I recommend increasing them to at least 26 20 15 which are the 3 values from Car Fast.
    If you copy the all the speed settings from Car Fast to Car Normal you will have better ETAs, but you should further increase the last 3 city values so they are properly considered.

    2. Map,
    I have not seen any new streets in the new map, however there are still some errors in the map that might not allow a road in a route without a route point.
    The other problem I have encountered is that there are a good number of roads with are in the wrong speed class which can have a serious effect on the resulting route.

    3. Performance -WOW
    Performance was always considered a problem with the Navigon I have to say that general performance has improved dramatically.
    It seems that Navigon practically removed the delay when pressing a button, the button animation itself is much faster as well. Performance improved so much that it feels too fast at times.
    There still are areas where it is not as fast. I noticed that auto complete is not really faster as it still searches the SD card. This is most noticeable when entering a zip code as you can see the possible options fill in one by one. You can enter the next letter or number without delay it is still much faster in the end.
    Some other slow points are are when you go into the log book or save a destination. For some reason the keyboard loads slower then the rest of the screen. Also, if you go to basic settings and click “Done” in goes to the previous page quickly, but if you hit Cancel you see the Navigon spinning logo for a few seconds.
    Overall the interface is much faster, but it is still strangely slow in some places.

    4. POIs
    After the update there are now 2 POI files. The main file is 15 MB and a secondary file with 11 MB. So if the original 13 MB had 1.2 to 1.6 M POIs (depending on where I look), the should be 2-s M POIs after the update.
    I was hoping that the extended file would add some major chains that seem to be missing for all Navigons like Walmart, Home Depot and some others. However that is not the case. I don’t know what new POIs are available then were not before.
    There are also a couple of new categories. One of them is a secondary shopping center category where one is mostly grocery stores and the other is for other types of stores.


    I think the 1.2 update is a very big step in the right direction. I would like to see a map without errors and better speed classification and therefore further improve the routing.

    Sorry for the long write-up. I will post any other finding after some more time with it.
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    So I got a chance to use the system tonight to drive around a bit. Some notes:

    1. It does look like there are still some maping errors but they are drastically reduced in my area. Streets that were constant problems since release are now properly catagorized and there are definitally new roads. I live in northern virgina and the roads are constantly changing. From what I see in system I'd say the map data is at least from the last quarter 2007. The previous map was definitally from 2006.

    2. I deviated from my route today to see how the unit would handle it and sure enough I got about 5 "please make a u-turn" where other units I've used (LG LN735, Garmin, TomTom) would just recalculate from that point and not force a u-turn. It looks like the u-turn logic is still not up to par.

    I've not mucked with the app settings xml file yet but I have been playing with the resource file and already have a new theme put together and working. They did not optimize the graphics so with a simple run thru a graphic optimizer you can actually speed up the interface a little bit more.
  • wgnweb 0 Points

    2. I deviated from my route today to see how the unit would handle it and sure enough I got about 5 "please make a u-turn" where other units I've used (LG LN735, Garmin, TomTom) would just recalculate from that point and not force a u-turn. It looks like the u-turn logic is still not up to par.

    Uh dont you know you can disable the u-turn feature? My Navigon 2100 came already preset to recalculate instead of telling me to make a u-turn. Works great!
  • elkinm 0 Points
    Some other things I noticed with some more driving time.

    At express-way exits it now says “Take The Ramp Right” instead of “Take The Exit Right”
    I don’t know if anybody else likes this, but to me this sounds horrible and completely unnatural. Express-ways list exit numbers and pints to an exit so taking an Exit just seems more natural when you see Exit # xx coming up, not the ramp. Since these are basic sounds, I think I can just swap the this sound with the Exit one from the 1.1 version.

    Another interesting thing is that if I stay a light or something for a minute or more, it tends to repeat the last command.
    The problem is that it repeats it as it originally was on the route. Lets say I have 5 miles to travel on a road. I am stopped at a light with 3 miles remaining. When I start moving again, it says remain on the current road for 5 miles not 3 miles which can get confusing.
    Also, in the case of a turn, it might say to make the turn after I already made it which can also get confusing.

    I believe parking lot handling has improved. Before if I am in a parking lot it would snap me to a road and calculate the route in the direction I am moving. The problem is that once I do get to the road, I don’t know which way to go as the direction I was going in the parking lot might not be optimal way to go. So often times it would have me turn and then have me turn around (no u-turns though so far)
    Now it seems to draw the line from the main road in the preferred direction so I know where to turn.
    I definitely need to test it more, but it looks like a big plus.

    I also seem to be experiencing many fore hangs. Not necessarily hard freezes, but it becomes unresponsive for 10-20 seconds. This happened once or twice before, but it has already happened several times today.
    Also, the map would sometimes freeze on me, especially when receiving traffic information.
    This also seems to occur more often. Also, before, with a frozen map the voice might stutter a little, but would still give me good directions. Now the voice stutters and lags so much that the commands may be almost a minute behind and long after a made the needed turn.

    And finally, I saved my home location right in my driveway and it always worked perfectly, however now, even if I save in the same spot, it always wants me to go a little farther before reaching the destination.

    I still need a lot more time with it, but this update seems to have fixed some things, but introduced some problems of it’s own.
  • wgnweb 0 Points
    Is anyone using a high speed like a 133x SD card? I am VERY curious if this helps with the lag.
  • elkinm 0 Points
    Is anyone using a high speed like a 133x SD card? I am VERY curious if this helps with the lag.
    I am using an A-Data Turbo class 6 which can read at 21 MB/s on my PC. And to be honest, I have not noticed any performance benefits.
    I even had a chance to put mine and another stock 2100 side by side and could not see any improvements and sometimes mine was slower. Some people claim improvements but I have not seen any.

    However, I have only tried my A-Data with FAT32 and different cluster sizes. 32 KB seem to work best, and is the same as FAT would be with 2 GB.
    When I have time I will try it with FAT and see if it is any better.

    Either way, I believe the card reader on the PNA itself may be a bottleneck. I wonder if it is possible to update the win CE drivers and get better performance?
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    I know quite well that you can turn off u-turn and it is. I'm saying that it still told me to do it when it should have been recalculating.
    Another interesting thing is that if I stay a light or something for a minute or more, it tends to repeat the last command.
    I had noticed this with the 1.1 software. It was reproducable but I've not tried it with the 1.2 software yet. Will take a look tomorrow.
  • I know quite well that you can turn off u-turn and it is. I'm saying that it still told me to do it when it should have been recalculating
    I have the same problem and agree. Off means Off. So why does it tell me to make a U turn when I know the U turn option is off?

    -Funk
  • infama 0 Points
    Elkim,

    You said that after update, the POI file is 15mb and the auxil. file is 11mb, making 26mb with 2-3m POIs.

    That struck me as strange, as the TT 920 comes stock with North American map POI file of 264mb and auxil. CRPOI of 65mb. The TT is assumed to have 5-6m US POIs.

    Now, even if you take a tenth of for Canada and calculate only on the POI.dat file, you still have 235mb vs 26mb, a 9 to 1 ratio.

    Now I know the file strctures are different, but POIs are essentially over-glorified CSV data files, so the file size to me suggest only half a million to 3/4 million POIs on the Navigon. This seems way too low for any machine nowadays, so what am I doing wrong?

    I also checked with the ipaq 310 with its reputed 12m POIs and it has 385mb POI directory...46% larger than the TT. This would imply just shy of 9m POI using the avg POI size of the TT.
  • elkinm 0 Points
    I am just basing this on the claimed POI numbers. Perhaps Navigon compresses the files a lot to make them smaller.

    The extended POI might use different compression. I heard before that the 7100 file is 150 MB which brings to the total to only 4-6 M POIs.
    If that is true then the compression on the extended file is not nearly as high as the main file and then the 11 MB file is not more then half a million POIs.

    Once we can get the file sizes on the 7100, we can find out how many POIs are actually there.
  • infama 0 Points
    I am just basing this on the claimed POI numbers. Perhaps Navigon compresses the files a lot to make them smaller.

    The extended POI might use different compression. I heard before that the 7100 file is 150 MB which brings to the total to only 4-6 M POIs.
    If that is true then the compression on the extended file is not nearly as high as the main file and then the 11 MB file is not more then half a million POIs.

    Once we can get the file sizes on the 7100, we can find out how many POIs are actually there.
    OK, so even if the compression is higher and its about half that of the TomTom, ie 150mb to 263mb, then the 2100max would have 250K to 500K POIs at maximum, given that it has 11mb in the Main Pois and the other 15mb is Zagat. Also, as POIs are just glorified txt files, how much compression is there really?

    Someone who uses a Navigon and another popular brand should be able to tell us if it "feels" like 1m, 3m, or 5m POIs.
  • gatorguy 191 Points
    I'm not sure that it's a good measure (comparing file size), tho it seems to make sense. It appears tho that Navigon has handled their POI's quite differently than most others. For example, there appears to be no way (yet found) to add custom POI's as we can do with TT's and Garmins.
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    Navigon uses a custom version of POIWarner for their POI's from what I understand. You can buy the real poiwarner and add poi's to the 2100. I know that.
  • gatorguy 191 Points
    I thought I saw an earlier post indicating it didn't work with the new models. Perhaps I'm mistaken?
  • elkinm 0 Points
    Has anybody noticed the new road prompts?

    Before it was:
    in 500 feet turn right on .....
    Now turn right on .....

    But now it says:
    in 500 feet turn right on .....
    in 300 feet turn right on ..... (where it previously said Now)
    Now turn right on ..... (in the middle or after the turn)

    It seems the Now comes exactly at 0 feet from the turn which is right in the middle of the intersection and definitely too late for any directions.

    It seems the new POIs are indeed major chains. I not have WalMart, Best Buy and others, but I do need to use the new white Shopping Center category at the bottom of the POI selection list. There are others and I am definitely happy with this.

    As far as POIs I do find it strange that there is supposed to be 1.2-1.6 M POIs in the 2100 with just the one 13 MB files, which also holds Zagat information, and then the additional 150 MB file only a couple million more to the 7100.

    The size itself is very possible. Plain text and csv (text with commas) formats (which custom POIs may be in) are some of the most inefficient files. you can easily compress a 1 GB text file into 20-50 MB or less. I have to compress some very large log files at work every day.
    Certainly correction would have a negative impact on performance.
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    I don't have a 2100max but it works with the 2100 for sure and I believe people have gotten it to work with the 5100 and 7100.
  • I thought I saw an earlier post indicating it didn't work with the new models. Perhaps I'm mistaken?
    I haven't been able to get Active Sync to work with my device which is needed to install POIWarner. I cannot get the hacks to work (replacing the autorun executable) either. I'm still working on it but no joy so far.
  • I know quite well that you can turn off u-turn and it is. I'm saying that it still told me to do it when it should have been recalculating


    I have the same problem and agree. Off means Off. So why does it tell me to make a U turn when I know the U turn option is off?

    -Funk

    Also - I have a 2100 max and i have purposedly missed my turns and I would guess out of the 20-30 times i've done that it has NEVER suggested a u-turn. Not even close and the re-routing has been exceptionally fast. I have to be honest, unless its my geographic area, I am not experiencing some of the issues you guys are reporting with the 1.2 update. My came shipped with the 1.2 update, but the routing and time have been right on the money. I used it daily on various routes etc.

    I dont doubt you guys for one minute...just saying I'm not having most of the issues that have been reported here.
  • Elkim,

    You said that after update, the POI file is 15mb and the auxil. file is 11mb, making 26mb with 2-3m POIs.

    That struck me as strange, as the TT 920 comes stock with North American map POI file of 264mb and auxil. CRPOI of 65mb. The TT is assumed to have 5-6m US POIs.

    Now, even if you take a tenth of for Canada and calculate only on the POI.dat file, you still have 235mb vs 26mb, a 9 to 1 ratio.

    Now I know the file strctures are different, but POIs are essentially over-glorified CSV data files,...
    CSV files can be compressed up to 90% depending on the data involved. This would be with standard off the shelf software.
  • I know quite well that you can turn off u-turn and it is. I'm saying that it still told me to do it when it should have been recalculating


    I have the same problem and agree. Off means Off. So why does it tell me to make a U turn when I know the U turn option is off?

    -Funk



    Also - I have a 2100 max and i have purposedly missed my turns and I would guess out of the 20-30 times i've done that it has NEVER suggested a u-turn. Not even close and the re-routing has been exceptionally fast. I have to be honest, unless its my geographic area, I am not experiencing some of the issues you guys are reporting with the 1.2 update. My came shipped with the 1.2 update, but the routing and time have been right on the money. I used it daily on various routes etc.

    I dont doubt you guys for one minute...just saying I'm not having most of the issues that have been reported here.
    The allow U-turns option is for ROUTE plotting, not actual driving. The option says specifically to allow U-turns as part of the route planning.

    So if you miss a turn, you can still get the message to make a U-turn. I keep mine turned ON. EVEN with it off there will be times it will tell you to make a U-turn when this is the most efficient routing.
  • infama 0 Points
    Elkim,

    You said that after update, the POI file is 15mb and the auxil. file is 11mb, making 26mb with 2-3m POIs.

    That struck me as strange, as the TT 920 comes stock with North American map POI file of 264mb and auxil. CRPOI of 65mb. The TT is assumed to have 5-6m US POIs.

    Now, even if you take a tenth of for Canada and calculate only on the POI.dat file, you still have 235mb vs 26mb, a 9 to 1 ratio.

    Now I know the file strctures are different, but POIs are essentially over-glorified CSV data files,...


    CSV files can be compressed up to 90% depending on the data involved. This would be with standard off the shelf software.
    Given that neither the HP nor TT compresses their files, I would find it strange that Navigon does. If they do, then the searches would be slow. HP does compress their core navigation data like ini files and ui files, but not the POIs.

    In any case, if the 7100 has 151mb and the 2100max has 11mb and there is a claimed difference of 3-4 times as much POIs in the 7100, then there is still another anomaly to explain.

    If the implication you are making is that the compression ratio has changed form the 7100 to the 2100max, then the software in the 2100max should NOT be able to use the POI database from the 7100.
  • my mistake, i thought you meant entering destinations in the navi and driving to them and missing a turn and seeing if it gave you instructions to do a u-turn.

  • If the implication you are making is that the compression ratio has changed form the 7100 to the 2100max, then the software in the 2100max should NOT be able to use the POI database from the 7100.
    infama... you are probably speaking hypothetically....and you probably know this, but I think elk purchased the 7100 maps and is using the POI from that disk on his 2100 max. (oh wait, elk do you have the max? or am i confusing you with someone else?)

    I realize the folly of what I'm about to say, but I'll be able to tell you for sure in a few days whether 7100 POI's work on the max.
  • infama 0 Points

    If the implication you are making is that the compression ratio has changed form the 7100 to the 2100max, then the software in the 2100max should NOT be able to use the POI database from the 7100.


    infama... you are probably speaking hypothetically....and you probably know this, but I think elk purchased the 7100 maps and is using the POI from that disk on his 2100 max. (oh wait, elk do you have the max? or am i confusing you with someone else?)

    I realize the folly of what I'm about to say, but I'll be able to tell you for sure in a few days whether 7100 POI's work on the max.
    Cool, That will solve the mystery definitively.

    I would assume that the 2100 and 7100 use the same compression ratio and that the ratio change would have been made in the Max.

    Any yes, all I am doing is speculating. I am just intrigued that the POI sizes vary so greatly. At this point, it seems that the non-max units use mild compression, and the max uses full compression. Perhaps why users adding POIs is so far not possible,
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points

    The allow U-turns option is for ROUTE plotting, not actual driving. The option says specifically to allow U-turns as part of the route planning.
    Actually that's not true. It states this about the u-turn feature:

    "Specify whether U-turns is considered (yes) or not (no) when calculating a route"

    That means in route planning, in recalculating from a deviation, any time it calculates a route. That has been verified by navigon. It should not be demanding u-turns like it is with the unit off. It should only do u-turns if there is absolutly no other option. This has been a big complaint about the software since it was released and it seems to now be worse then it was with the 1.1 software.
  • I'll just admit i'm confused. my mistake was not elaborating enough for the hyper-intelligent folks with these highly so-fisto-kated navigons ;)

    I plan a route. I drive it. I purposely miss turns where U-turns are quite possible and my unit does not tell me to take a u-turn. It calculates another route using streets/roads. Like i said way up there, I've done this many times since I've had my 2100 max and it hasn't suggest a u-turn once. but maybe that has to do with the super krytonite xanthium photon enhanced nemerix chip. :wink:
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    I'm happy you';re not having the problem. It's down right annoying to me though on my 2100 that is not a Max. It's quite possible the software on your device is different from ours.
  • I'm happy you';re not having the problem. It's down right annoying to me though on my 2100 that is not a Max. It's quite possible the software on your device is different from ours.
    I'm sorry that you're having problems and I wish we really knew ALL the differences between the 2100 and the 2100 Max. I've learned from past experiences both as a technology user and working in a technology field that all you read on the website is not necessarily correct and includes ALL the differences between product models, whether it's hardware or software. I work for a software company and while technical people provide information to the marketing people that actually release that information, it rarely comes from a "down in the weeds" technical person. That's why so often in software and hardware version releases you find functionality that wasn't listed in release notes but for sure the programmer knew it was there.

    It seems all my correspondence to Navigon has been responded to by standard customer support people often using "canned responses". That's why I want to unlock my unit so bad so I can get in there and see for real what kind of memory it has and anything else....

    Hopefully the 8100 will push 2100 max prices down and you can upgrade one day! It's really a great device for the price (except for POI)

    on a side note, my latest adventure is trying to get the POI from a 7100 to my 2100 max. I know it will work on your device. If you have questions about that - shoot me a PM.
  • L0stS0ul 0 Points
    One good example of the differences, I can easily get to the win ce desktop and active activesync. No problems at all. I've even had OziExplorer on the unit and used it when I was in Barcelona with maps I created from Google Maps.
  • That's awesome lostsoul! I am so trying to get into my max like that, but so far I've been totally unsuccessful. GPSPassion forum has a whole lot of various hacks for the 2100 base, but until I can get active sync to work. Not sure why, but it throws an error. I'm sure as more max's get sold that someone smarter than me and figure it out!
    So far I've gotten the 7100 maps & poi on SD but haven't been able to get my max to read them - still working on that.
  • infama 0 Points
    That's awesome lostsoul! I am so trying to get into my max like that, but so far I've been totally unsuccessful. GPSPassion forum has a whole lot of various hacks for the 2100 base, but until I can get active sync to work. Not sure why, but it throws an error. I'm sure as more max's get sold that someone smarter than me and figure it out!
    So far I've gotten the 7100 maps & poi on SD but haven't been able to get my max to read them - still working on that.
    Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.

    In Windows CE control panel:

    Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.
  • [Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.

    In Windows CE control panel:

    Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.
    That's the problem. I have to get another autorunce.exe on my SD card and when I do that my device crashes, whereas on the plain 2100 it allows you access to CE. Currently that would be my problem - getting to the Windows CE... so far that's been the challegenge! :)
  • infama 0 Points
    [Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.

    In Windows CE control panel:

    Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.


    That's the problem. I have to get another autorunce.exe on my SD card and when I do that my device crashes, whereas on the plain 2100 it allows you access to CE. Currently that would be my problem - getting to the Windows CE... so far that's been the challegenge! :)
    What version of CE is it? Would the CECMD freeware we use on the iPaq work here?
  • [Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.

    In Windows CE control panel:

    Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.


    That's the problem. I have to get another autorunce.exe on my SD card and when I do that my device crashes, whereas on the plain 2100 it allows you access to CE. Currently that would be my problem - getting to the Windows CE... so far that's been the challegenge! :)


    What version of CE is it? Would the CECMD freeware we use on the iPaq work here?
    Version 5. I'm not sure it will work, I think there has to be something that "intercepts" the launching of Navigon's proprietary interface before I can use that - but I'm not sure. Is that freeware? Like Total Commander or something?
  • CliftonParkGMan 0 Points
    edited April 2008
    Obviously I did not read that the 7100 was not released yet - my bad.
  • I have a 2100 that I am planning on giving to my son as a graduation present. Before downloading the 1.2 update, I noticed a big warning not to do the update if one had European maps installed. While I don't have European maps on my 2100, I did purchase the expanded USA & Canada as well as Alaska and Hawaii maps and I was concerned they might get trashed so I was sure to back them up.

    Sure thing, when I updated all I was left with was the 48 contiguous states. So it looks my son will have to get used to using the updated version on one chip unless he goes to Canada when he'll have to revert back to the older maps with Canada on the other SD card.

    I don't want to sound too critical of Navigon, but it seems that they might have taken into consideration that some users might want to update their maps and in fact have does so but their update program doesn't recognize anything except a basic 2100.

    I just hope my son doesn't experience any of those lock up problems that others seem to be having. As near as I can tell many are related to traffic and that isn't a problem in Bloomington.
  • infama 0 Points
    [Dont you have to go in windows CE and set the device to serial class for it to work with Active sync? That is how it works with the iPaq.

    In Windows CE control panel:

    Of particular interest is the USBClient mode switch - you can switch between Mass_Storage_Class (where the PersistentFlash and optionally the StorageCard are exposed as drives) and Serial_Class mode where you can connect the iPAQ to your PC's ActiveSync and get to all areas of the iPAQ through the ActiveSync File Explorer.


    That's the problem. I have to get another autorunce.exe on my SD card and when I do that my device crashes, whereas on the plain 2100 it allows you access to CE. Currently that would be my problem - getting to the Windows CE... so far that's been the challegenge! :)


    What version of CE is it? Would the CECMD freeware we use on the iPaq work here?


    Version 5. I'm not sure it will work, I think there has to be something that "intercepts" the launching of Navigon's proprietary interface before I can use that - but I'm not sure. Is that freeware? Like Total Commander or something?
    Yup, CECMD is Total Commander.

    On the HP if renamed as CELauncher.exe, it will preempt the resident flash memory upon reboot and bring up Windows.
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