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  • Brand new garmin100k map doesn’t display on Oregon 750
    Unfortunately, Birdseye "is what it is". Varies from location to location, in many cases they use Digital Globe satellite imagery. IMO, that is usually not so great. Here in NJ, the state shoots nice imagery in the winter and Birdseye uses that, since it is free. Can't remember, what state are you in? Most states have free imagery available for download. These can be made into Garmin maps, but you need to know how.
    I forgot you were a Linux user. I'm afraid you will be a "second class citizen" when it comes to Garmin. However, I think that qGIS is available for Linux. It is a very powerful GIS program that can be very useful for making your own maps. Not easy to learn however, and tends to be somewhat buggy. But it is free and open source
  • Brand new garmin100k map doesn’t display on Oregon 750
    $30/year for unlimited Birdseye is a very good deal IMO (compared to Garmin other outrageous prices). Unless you have a really slow internet connection, that makes more sense than getting cards. You can continue using everything you download forever, even after your subscription expires. However, it will be locked to the original GPS.
    LIDAR is really much better for finding hidden things, it sees right through all the vegetation. I am using bare-earth LIDAR for my maps and it even sees right through buildings, what you see are actually the basements!
  • Garmins Overlander GPS
    Was just looking at some reviews and video for the Overlander. Looks like a very interesting product, if it had come along 10 years ago I probably would have gotten one. Apparently it is an Android device and the videos show that it is definitely faster than Garmin's other automotive units. And the mapping also seems different from what they offer on their other devices, they are (evidently) using real USGS topo's, perhaps these are the same as Birdseye Topo however. The really interesting thing is that it apparently does not use City Navigator for on-road navigation, it seems to use OpenStreetMap. I guess that saves them some money on licensing from HERE?
    Anyway - back on topic - I did not see any video that shows the problem the OP is having, and none of the reviewers mentioned it either. If I had an Overlander right here in front of me, I suspect I could solve this mystery. Perhaps it is related to a hidden feature in the development menus that most Garmin devices have? Regardless, it's a disgrace that Garmin couldn't solve this for you and you have been way too patient. If they can't tell you how to fix it, I would return it under warranty and insist that they send a replacement that works properly.
    Enjoy your travels, sounds like you are giving the Overlander a good workout and having fun! :)
  • Don’t see 24k map displayed in Oregon 750
    Has been a few years since I've bought a Garmin map on a pre-loaded card, but I have a couple older ones. The cards themselves did not have any special labels, they were just SanDisk (or whatever) microSD cards. However, it was shrink-wrapped in printed Garmin packaging and the card was in a little plastic box with a printed label identifying it as a Garmin map.
    Was yours (supposedly) a new product, or something used? If new, then it should have been in Garmin packaging. And all you would need to do is insert it in the GPS. Yes, it's true that there have been a lot of counterfeit Garmin SD cards in the past. I think these were mostly City Navigator maps however.
    And yes, the pre-loaded cards will work on any Garmin GPS however they cannot be duplicated (they use hardware-based copy protection that locks the map to the original card). And it's also correct that the downloaded maps will only work on the original GPS for which they were purchased. One advantage of the download product is that you can use it immediately, but there are a couple other less obvious advantages. First, if you lose your original map somehow, it can be downloaded again for free for 12 months (IIRC) after purchase. But IMO the biggest advantage is that you can install the map in internal memory on the GPS if you like, or you can put it on another big memory card along with other maps.
    With the pre-loaded cards, you should not add any other maps or data to the card as you risk corrupting it (and there usually isn't much free space anyway). This is a big limitation and you might not understand all the implications. For example, your new GPS can use Birdseye aerial imagery (it may have even included a free subscription). These are very big files that you would typically want to put on a card instead of internal memory. However, if you have a map on a Garmin card then you are out of luck. You would have to physically remove the Garmin card and replace it with your own card of Birdseye imagery.
    Unless you have some definite plans to use a map on more than one GPS, IMO the downloaded map is a better choice because it gives you freedom to install wherever you like.
    BTW, Garmin used to have a third option of purchasing maps on DVD. This was discontinued a number of years ago. Too bad, because these maps were permanently installed on your computer for use in Basecamp and Mapsource. You could then choose as little or as much of the map to send to your GPS. With the new downloadable maps, it's "all or nothing". You can't just install one or two states from a topo map, you have to use the entire map.
    So Garmin no longer sells maps to directly install on your computer. However, you can still use them on the computer by connecting the GPS. Or you could just put the memory card into a slot on your computer (or a USB card reader). In fact, you could even make a duplicate copy of the memory card - the copy protection is not enforced by Basecamp on your computer, it only affects the map when used on the GPS itself.
  • Oregon 450T
    I have had this same issue with my Oregon 550 when I had seven Garmin BirdsEye (.jnx satellite image) files enabled. If I removed any one of them it would boot normally. I also had a 3 GB OSM .img street map file enabled, but removing it wouldn't resolve the problem. It would only boot if I removed one of the .jnx files. I never figured out exactly what the problem was, and eventually just gave up on using the BirdsEye files.
  • Looking for help selecting the right GPS for me.
    Regarding the DriveTrack 71.... that will give you the nice 7" screen, the 100k topo and Birdseye aerial imagery. But the software is really just a DriveSmart 61 automotive GPS with no advanced "outdoor" features. Just be sure that's all you really want, because you won't get any of the special capabilities of a device like the Overlander, Montana or GPSMap 276cx.
  • Looking for help selecting the right GPS for me.
    Like I said, no personal experience with the Overlander. For all I know, you would hate it. ;) However, from the marketing materials it sounds like a good fit for you. Be sure to understand the return/exchange policy of the seller if you buy one, just in case.
    Garmin sells a separate series of "24k" maps. These are completely unrelated to USGS maps, and are basically more detailed versions of the US Topo 100k maps. They also have routable roads (can calculate turn by turn directions) and POI's similar to City Navigator. The Overlander already has City Navigator, so that probably isn't much of an advantage, but the maps are more detailed. However many people feel that the trails and unpaved roads are less complete than the 100k Topo product. This varies by location however. Garmin's 24k Topo maps only cover a few states each and cost around $100 so it would be impractical to get full US coverage, and there are technical limitations to Garmin's map format that would also prevent loading a large number of these maps. Anyway, I doubt these are included with the Overlander, you could purchase any areas of interest separately.
    The BIrdseye Topo is (evidently) included however, and these are scans of the the paper USGS 24k topo maps. This has been covered before, please review my earlier posts.
    Garmin's devices are designed to work on external power, so they can run brighter screens without worrying about battery life like a tablet. These big-screen Garmin devices do have batteries, but will only run a very short while on them.
  • Looking for help selecting the right GPS for me.
    If it fits your budget, it sounds like the Overlander might be a very good choice for your needs. It is specifically designed for vehicle use - probably more rugged than needed in an enclosed vehicle, but that doesn't matter a lot. I see they have dropped the price from $700 to $600. Still very pricey.... but I paid $1000 for a Garmin StreetPilot 2620 back in 2004. ;)
    I find the Overlander specs confusing, but my interpretation is that it includes the Garmin 100k US topo, City Navigator, Birdseye satellite and Birdseye topo. I think these would be "lifetime" maps. Caveat - not really clear on any of this, so be sure to confirm it for yourself with Garmin before making any purchase decision. I have never seen an Overlander and know very little about it personally.
    I think you are misinterpreting @deserteagle56 's comments about the 100k map. Are you famliar with real USGS 100k topo maps? They are very inaccurate. "100k" means that a real object is 100,000 times larger than it appears on the map. In other words, one inch on the map represents about 1.6 miles in the real world. This is the level of accuracy Garmin was shooting for with this product. Compare that with a USGS 24k topo where one inch on the map represents 2000 feet in the real world.
    The reason why some people like these maps is because they tend to show more trails in certain areas than Garmin's other maps. This varies by location, this map is generally poor in the Northeast US from my experience. The unpaved roads have always been very inaccurate in my own area, and were based on old Census Bureau (TIGER) data that is notoriously bad. But one advantage of the 100k maps is that you have coverage of the entire US with one file that is only about 3gb.
    But consider that for a minute... I made a very detailed map of New Jersey that is about 100mb and covers about 9000 square miles.
    The whole US is about 3.8 million square miles, so (if my math is right!) a map of the US with my level of detail would be about 42gb - which is 14x larger than Garmin's 100k topo. :)
  • Looking for help selecting the right GPS for me.
    The DriveSmart 65 is a minor update to the older DriveSmart 61, which I also have. See this thread:
    There have been some nice deals on refurbished DriveSmart 61's, not sure if you can still find one. But the differences between the 61 and 65 are pretty trivial - the hardware is the same. Neither of these is going to be a good choice for what you describe. They can load Garmin-format topo maps, but do not display all the features correctly. Most of the POI's on topo maps just don't appear at all.
    Arguably, the biggest defeciency with all Garmin automotive units is the lack of proper track support. You can record your track ("bread crumb trail" that shows where you went) but the only controls are turning tracking on and off. You cannot save individual tracks for future use, it is all just one big file. There are no menu options that control the method of track recording (such as recording points at regular intervals, or when you move a certain distance). You cannot control the style they are displayed, such as the color or line type. But you can copy the tracks to your computer as GPX file where they can be used in various software packages, including Garmin Basecmap, Google Earth, etc.
    The really big problem is, you cannot send those tracks back to the GPS. If you do, they are just ignored. So the GPS will only show the current track that you have recorded on the device itself. This means you can't build a library of tracks and use them again in the future on the GPS. Garmin handhelds, the Zumo series (for motorcycles) and the Overlander, have a full set of track controls. You can give them names and save them, change the color/style of the lines, send and receive them from your computer.
    Garmin automotive units also have far fewer menu options to control the appearance of the map, the user interface (what data is shown on the screen) and many other features available on their outdoor devices. Basically, they are "dumbed-down" and optimized to just show the pre-loaded City Navigator Maps. They also have special features for auto use, like traffic data, detailed display of highway interchanges, etc. Garmin's whole strategy is NOT to provide overlap between their outdoor and automotive devices - they want you to buy (at least) one of each. ;)
    The DriveTrack 71 is an oddity. Just ignore the dog tracking stuff, you can turn it off and never know its there (like I do). Read the thread I linked to. It is virtually identical to the DriveSmart 61 (and 65) but it allows you to use specialized maps and imagery not available on any othe Garmin automotive devices. It includes a pre-loaded copy of the Garmin 100K US topo maps (these are the ones that @deserteagle56 recommended above). However, the caveats I mentioned above still apply and many of the features won't appear, or won't look quite right.
    The DriveTrack also includes a one-year subscription to Birdseye aerial imagery for the whole world.
    The 100k Topo and Birdseye would cost $130 to buy separately, which would effectvely lower the cost of the DriveTrack 71 to $270 (if you want those maps, and you probably would). But you will still basically have an automotive GPS that can also use aerial imagery. You can also load other types of special maps, such as the ones I make. This gets a bit more complicated however. Anyway, I like the DriveTrack a lot, but that's mainly because I can load my own maps and aerial imagery.
    It certainly is nothing like the Overlander and should not really be compared with it, assuming that you want a full set of outdoor/offroad capabilites. And the DriveSmart 65 won't really do anything you want, although it is certainly a nice automotive unit. BTW, the DriveSmart, DriveTrack and Overlander all use the same 7" 1024x600 LCD panel, which is bright, sharp and generally just beautiful. These are designed to work well in bright sunlight and are likely to be much better for this than most (if not all) Android tablets.
  • Looking for help selecting the right GPS for me.
    Well, Garmin maps are Garmin maps. The Overlander is a bit different because it uses Garmin's new cloud-based software instead of Basecamp, which they are gradually phasing out. Garmin's BIrdseye products offer aerial imagery from Digital Globe at a resolution of about .5 meters/pixel (last time I checked). If you make your own maps, you can find imagery of most locations at 1 foot per pixel or even as high as 3 inches per pixel in urban areas. So again, you trade convenience for quality. I gather that Birdseye quality also varies considerably depending on location.
    Garmin also has Birdseye Topo, which gives you scanned USGS 24k topo maps. This costs extra on other devices, not sure about the Overlander. These would be the same maps I mentioned above that you can get for free with Mobile Atlas Creator.
    For road navigation, Garmin City Navigator is considered the "gold standard" by many people and that is included on the Overlander and all Garmin vehicle devices, along with lifetime updates.
    Garmin also has their own "24k" topo series that has nothing to do with the USGS maps. These have routable roads and POI's just like City Navigator, plus topographic features. They are rather expensive and only cover a few states each, not sure if they are included with the Overlander. I really haven't looked at it very closely.
    If you just want a vehicle gps with a nice, big screen that also supports aerial imagery and scanned topo maps, look at the DriveTrack 71. I started this thread on it awhile ago and am still very happy. Again, I especially like it because it supports the maps I create myself so that gives me a very different point of view. It won't give you any special off-road capabilities and doesn't have the advanced track management features of Garmin's outdoor devices.
    The other Garmin device to look at might be the GPSMap276cx. This has been a very controversial product, also quite expensive. But early adopters were very unhappy - even angry - by all the bugs and poor performance. @Chris_Sav bought one and ended up returning it. Maybe they have finally had time to correct these problems? It also has a pushbutton interface with no touchscreen
    If you shop around at places like gpscity and thegpsstore you may find a refurb at a better price. But the DriveTrack 71 is still a lot cheaper.
  • Driver alerts Drivesmart units
    That's right for the DriveSmart 61. Have never even seen a 65, still really happy with my DriveTrack 71 which is more or less a DriveSmart 61 with the ability to include aerial imagery (Birdseye) on the map. :)
  • New GPSMap 66i includes inReach satellite technology
    Large sunlight-readable color display for easy viewing
    Trigger an interactive SOS to the GEOS 24/7 search and rescue monitoring center; two-way messaging via the 100% global Iridium® satellite network (satellite subscription required)
    Preloaded Garmin TOPO mapping with direct-to-device BirdsEye Satellite Imagery downloads (no annual subscription); includes multiple Global Navigation Satellite Systems (GNSS) support and navigation sensors
    Cellular connectivity lets you access Active Weather forecasts and Geocaching Live
    Compatible with the Garmin Explore™ website and app to help you manage waypoints, routes, activities and collections, use tracks and review trip data from the field
    Internal, rechargeable lithium battery provides up to 35 hours of battery life in 10-minute tracking mode; 200 hours in
    Expedition mode with 30-minute tracking intervals
  • Vehicle GPS for Geocaching.
    I don't do geocaching, so no idea of what will support cache uploads. But (IMO) this is - hands down - the coolest vehicle GPS that Garmin has ever made, and I'd think the included topo and Birdseye subscription would be useful :)
  • The DriveTrack 71 - Garmin's coolest model you've never heard of
    Glad to help. I still have my Nuvi 5000 - you have been around for quite awhile if you took my recommendation for that! I think I got mine around 2007 or 2008. :)
    Screen size is irrelevant when it comes to showing topo maps, it's all about the software. And Garmin has always crippled the Nuvi and Drive series that way. They *could* make it full compatible with topo maps, but then you wouldn't need an expensive handheld. Like I said, they are all about segmenting and protecting markets.
    I don't know why you have so many crashes with topo maps on the RV 760. My Dezl. 760 never crashed much. Are you using automotive mode with the topo maps? I think that would be more stable. A lot of this is related to how the topo maps are made too. I make my maps specifically for automotive devices, and they show little roads and details when you zoom way out. But I break all of Garmin's "rules", and I don't know anyone else who makes maps like this. However, automotive devices are "hard-wired" not to show most topo map POI's and there is just no way around that. :(
    Lots screenshots of my map here, including the nuvi 5000, Dezl 760 and DriveSmart 61. These won't help you out in the desert, but if you ever come to the Mid-Atlantic, check them out. :)
    The DriveTrack 71 renders topo maps exactly the same as the DriveSmart 61 - which is also the same as the Dezl 760. So you shouldn't buy it if you expect a Garmin topo map to look better. It's an automotive device with some extra features.
    The real strength of the DriveTrack is raster imagery - Birdseye and Custom Maps (.kmz files). And it's great for layering traditional Garmin vector maps on top of this. But that is my assessment as a map-maker, and not an ordinary user. I can make special maps that work really well on this, but that's just me. :)
    If you use raster imagery on this device, the ugly roads from the basemap are drawn on top . You can disable the basemap on a Garmin handheld, but not on an automotive device (although I guess you could delete it). I made a big 'blank map" to hide the ugly basemap. That works well, but probably beyond the ability of most users. Here's some of my home-made Birdseye, based on USDA NAIP imagery (1 meter/pixel)
    Now, my blank map is built such that it will also hide the City Navigator map. I am liking this, because you can use all the City Navigator features, but without all the clutter on the screen - you just see the pink route line.
    So - as a mapmaker - this really is a great device for me. For anyone else... it depends on what you expect. The screen is beautiful, and it's the biggest, highest resolution screen that Garmin offers on any device. But with standard Garmin topo maps, it won't be any better than a DriveSmart 61, and you can get those as refurbs in the $150 to $200 range.
  • The DriveTrack 71 - Garmin's coolest model you've never heard of
    Regarding Birdseye, you can choose between the regular satellite imagery or the scanned USGS 24k topo maps (Birdseye Topo). That was a pleasant surprise, I thought these were different products.
    Unfortunately, this is not true - Garmin fooled me here. :O) It lets me choose Birdseye Topo from the menu, but then when I try to download, it says I don't have a subscription.
  • The DriveTrack 71 - Garmin's coolest model you've never heard of
    Couple more screenshots. Here's BIrdseye plus City Navigator. I only downloaded the standard quality for this test, because the high quality was taking forever. ;) The standard quality actually looks pretty good if you don't zoom in farther than 800 feet. Garmin thinks "Pines" is spelled "Pnes".
    And here's a quick mashup I did, with my own roads and custom map theme plus my home-made Birdseye imagery. This hack works really well - I used OkMap to convert some NAIP imagery that I already had to .jnx files. There are three layers to this map: (1) my aerial imagery, (2) my roads and (3) City Navigator, which is invisible but still provides routing, search and all the usual automotive features. BTW, the .jnx format seems very efficient - my source file was a 100MB 8-bit GeoTIFF and the converted .jnx file is only 32MB.
    Here's some different behavior... when you connect the device to your computer, it says a USB connection was detected and then counts down from 20 before it actually connects. There's a cancel button, but no way to immediately connect to USB... you have to wait 20 seconds before it even starts thinking about that. So it seems to take forever. >:P
    Regarding Birdseye, you can choose between the regular satellite imagery or the scanned USGS 24k topo maps (Birdseye Topo). That was a pleasant surprise, I thought these were different products.
    I went old-school and used Mapsource on Windows to send my road map to the DriveTrack. This created a folder named "Map", which worked fine. I wonder if Basecamp would have also created a Map folder, or if it would have used the existing Garmin folder?
    And as a side note.... I used my Mac with the new version of Basecamp that was just released and everything worked fine.
  • The DriveTrack 71 - Garmin's coolest model you've never heard of
    Well, maybe you've heard of it because I started a thread on its predecessor, the DriveTrack 70 when I first noticed it last year. But this is the new version, based on the DriveSmart 61 platform. In fact, the hardware is identical to the DriveSmart 61, they didn't even put so much as a different decal on it! Sitting next to my Drivesmart 61, the only way to tell them apart is removing the ball-mount adapter to see the hidden label. They are certainly maximizing their profit on this model.
    This device is documented very poorly on Garmin's site and it wasn't clear exactly what the capabilities were, aside from dog tracking. And the user manual is a joke - it's a DriveSmart 61 manual with one section that says how to pair it with your astro for dog tracking. Absolutely no mention of other capabilities like Birdseye or Custom Maps. Amazon had a special discount offer for my credit card for purchases with "reward points", so I decided to take a chance and ordered one without much cash outlay. Just received it a few hours ago, but my first impression is that it's very cool! B-)
    Garmin seems to be keeping this device a secret and only markets it to people who have their dog tracking handhelds and collars. Typical Garmin marketing strategy... if you have already spent a small fortune on the dog tracking hardware, then this is a way to get another $400 out of you. But they don't pitch it to the automotive or recreation market because then you might not buy a $700 GPSMap276cx. ;)
    The device has 15.3gb of internal memory, and right out of the box there was 5gb free. The pre-loaded 100k US Topo takes up 3.3gb. I will probably delete that and archive it on my computer. I have several versions of this map already, and it's not all that great. Interesting that the 100k Topo is in the hidden .System folder and named gmapprom1.img. To confuse us further, user-installed maps go in the Garmin folder and not the Map folder like other automotive devices (although that might also work). Inside the Garmin folder you have Birdseye and CustomMaps folders, just like a handheld device.
    I don't even have a dog, so those features don't interest me, and can easily be disabled by setting it to automotive mode.
    The only thing that sets the main menu apart from the DriveSmart 61 is the dogs icon.
    But as you dig into the menus, some differences become apparent. One nice feature is that you can add the map selection dialog to the tools menu on the main screen. This saves a lot of screen taps if you use multiple maps.
    But the big difference is the Custom Maps Layer.
    This device can use Garmin Custom Maps (.kmz files) just like a handheld. According to GarminDevice.xml, it supports a maximum of 400 custom map tiles. A big improvement over the 100 tile limit on many of the handhelds, but not as good as the 500 tile limit on the Montana and a couple other premium handhelds. One nice feature is that you can enable/disable individual Custom Map files in the menu, unlike many of the handhelds where all Custom Maps are globally enabled/disabled.
    The Custom Maps layer also supports Garmin Birdseye imagery, and the device includes a free one year-subscription. Have not tried that yet, but will soon. I have tried two of my custom maps, they work well and look great on the seven-inch 1024x600 screen.
    Here's a 19th century topo map from my site:
    And here's my contemporary topo:
    So I think this will be a very nice vehicle GPS for my kind of use, I especially like the ability to combine traditional Garmin vector based maps (.img files) with raster imagery (.kmz and .jnx files). I also plan to use the hack of creating my own Birdseye .jnx files. This will allow the loading of raster imagery with 50,000 tiles per layer and files as big as 4gb (compared with 400 tiles and 32mb for .kmz files).
    I suppose I should be angry that Garmin doesn't offer this as a firmware option for my DriveSmart 61. But that would be expecting too much. ;) This device includes the Garmin 100k Topo for the whole US and a one-year Birdseye subscription. Those would cost $130 if purchased separately. And - surprise - the DriveTrack 71 is $130 more expensive than the DriveSmart 65. So, if someone is considering a new automotive device but also wants off-road features, I think it's worth considering.
  • Google Earth Pro/Garmin Device
    I do not have a GE option BC, View. About to end this project,might be better off downloading birdseye maybe all my tracks will show there. Seems like showing all tracks should at once should be a no brainer.
  • Garmin DriveTrack 70: Big screen with BirdsEye and 100k topo included
    Just noticed that Garmin has a new version of the DriveTrack that obviously uses the same platform as the DriveSmart 61. This might be a good device for someone who wants BirdsEye imagery with a large screen and City Navigator. Price of $400 is in keeping with what Garmin charges for other premium devices (not to mention the free year of Birdseye and included 100k topo map). And the DriveSmart 61 platform offers a very nice screen with a processor that is clearly faster than their other automotive devices (based on my own tests).
  • New GPSMap 66 is coming
    If there are Birdseye problems, why would you assume they will go away when you download direct to the device? Do we know what kind of wifi it will have? Knowing Garmin, it's probably not the fast 802.11ac. If so, then you may have a much slower connection than you could get on a computer. I get 150 mbit/sec on my computers. My last Birdseye subscription expired many years ago.
    I'll agree, this is a step in the right direction, but this device just doesn't interest me.