I'm at school at the moment so can't check for myself, but is this update rolled into a single IPAQ 310 software update, or does CM show a long list of things that are updatable?
Wouldn't changes to the maps fall under Map updates in CM?
I'm at school at the moment so can't check for myself, but is this update rolled into a single IPAQ 310 software update, or does CM show a long list of things that are updatable?
Wouldn't changes to the maps fall under Map updates in CM?
Thanks for this info!
If the entire resident flash is 1.75gb and they offer 1.446 gb in updates, then for sure map data is being affected. Now, it may be the .fbl file or maybe only the dems, buildings, poi and basemaps, who knows.
If you choose updatable, you get a long list of named packages to download, including the 263mb application and various categories of mapping data.
Right now, my UK voice file is being updated. I am at 97%
Infama, report about SW and NAV version you have. Are they different from the ones I have got after update?
I am still going. Only 60% copied so far. 900mb done, 600 to go.
First it downloaded and now its copying to the resident flash and that is so slow.
And that's where mine crashed. I don't know how far it went before the copy script crashed, I had to leave my desk for a couple of hours. But upon my return, I had a 'file copy failed' window for every file that didn't copy - and the iPAQ was dead. I can't boot it up now. I've lost all communications with the desktop. Spent a half hour with HP Tech Support, it's going back to the hospital.
So in essence, what's the verdict? Safe to go in the water? I know UB had serious issues, and I had a fatal error on first try. If Infama, and ESPECIALLY Tim, says good to go, I'm there. Just doesn't seem the cleanest way to handle a big update.
So in essence, what's the verdict? Safe to go in the water? I know UB had serious issues, and I had a fatal error on first try. If Infama, and ESPECIALLY Tim, says good to go, I'm there. Just doesn't seem the cleanest way to handle a big update.
I had no probs at all, except that the whole thing took 7.4 hours!!!!
Yeah, I did this EARLY today. Fatal error when I tried to flash. On this try, so far so good. My impression tho is that the software is not real stable. Content manager couldn't automatically update, ended up downloading again. Then on restart, CM crashed. Third time charm I guess. A disc overnighted would be MUCH easier and cleaner. When updating firmware on my printers, also 200 meg plus updates, I've always requested a disc from support. Always sent free, usually overnite.
Had to go home stoped the download from work and started it at home.
Oh no is so slow hopefully by tomorrow morning it will be complete.
As of 7:30pm its 5% complete. 139files amd 1,193megs to download.
When I did unplug it at the office and plug it back in and restart the content manager it did some update to the ipaq as it says March 8 2008 but its still downloading the maps for each state.
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 41 Location: Sunnyvale, California
Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:39 am
I have finished updating the application and the voices and have moved on to the maps now. So far so good but it has taken a good four five hours already.
Question. I noticed that the map for California is 54 MB in size but the map for Canada is only 48 MB or so (can't check for the exact size now as the download box s holding up CM but it's definitely smaller than CA). Does that seem strange to you guys? Why would the map for the entire Canada smaller than California?
I have finished updating the application and the voices and have moved on to the maps now. So far so good but it has taken a good four five hours already.
Question. I noticed that the map for California is 54 MB in size but the map for Canada is only 48 MB or so (can't check for the exact size now as the download box s holding up CM but it's definitely smaller than CA). Does that seem strange to you guys? Why would the map for the entire Canada smaller than California?
Thanks.
The map for Hungary is 12 MB, the map for Ukraine is 14 Mb. But Ukraine is 7 times larger than Hungary. Why only 2 megabytes difference. I think there are more details in map, more roads are inluded.
Here is the example for Ukraine and Hungary
http://navngo.com/pages/global/eng/igo_8_map_details
Odd would be something like "How can you do a map update State by State"?. What if I just update Florida? I don't think you could download just one complete map update for one state, since it connects by MAPPED ROADS to another. Yet that is exactly the way the HP is handling it. You can update one state map, a dozen states, or all the states. Therefor, I don't believe what is being downloading is an actual updated "map" with new roads. Instead, just additional lane info, maybe speed data, etc?
Odd would be something like "How can you do a map update State by State"?. What if I just update Florida? I don't think you could download just one complete map update for one state, since it connects by MAPPED ROADS to another. Yet that is exactly the way the HP is handling it. You can update one state map, a dozen states, or all the states. Therefor, I don't believe what is being downloading is an actual updated "map" with new roads. Instead, just additional lane info, maybe speed data, etc?
Correct.
The map data is still TA 2007.07
Canada was always smaller than Calif.
Its not the size of the country, but the density of the road network.
Little confused I see the the maps is says 07 but beside it there is if I remember March 2008 date.
Does that mean they used the base maps from 07 and updated it to March 2008.
My ipaq downloaded and installed some of the updates just a few states maps and the core programming as it say AppSuite Version: 30555
NAV Version: Mar 7 2008.
I noticed the that TTS is a little better does not seem choppy(voice does cut in and out) Still not as clear as straight Amy.
This morning I notice making a left or right turn there is now a grey icon arrow indicating direction to turn at the intersection.
Brought my laptop from home that I was using lastnight for the install. Damm last night it hang up on a map file so nothing was downloaded after 11pm.
Now it says I have 126 files 962megs. Maps from Iowa+ what ever did not get installed.
Disappointed that a huge company like HP does not provide different sites or upgrade the way user update the ipaq. Its so sloooow.
Hp should allow the users to download and save the file for install from mutiple sites servers.
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 41 Location: Sunnyvale, California
Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:23 pm
I think I understand some of the differences between the size of the maps now but still strike me as odd that there is such a big difference between Canada and the US. Makes me wonder if there is also a difference on the detail levels. Hope that's not the case. But since I am not likely to be driving in Canada anytime soon, I don't really care and still just love my iPAQ 310.
So I updated the application, the voices and the California map & POI's. My first impression are the following:
1. Susan sounds clearer. It is less choppy as MTurbo has mentioned. Not sure if it's louder but I felt I could hear her better. Maybe it's the quality, maybe it's the loudness, or simply just that I am getting used to her.
2. I could be hallucinating but I think the shape of the arrow overlaid on the map on the next turn has changed. Don't have the old version to compare to now but it seems to be different.
3. This one I felt was a change for the worse. A major road between San Francisco and San Jose here is called El Camino Real, which is also State Route 82. Susan used to pronounce it as "El Camino Real" but she is calling it "Eight Two" after the upgrade. Most of the street signs you saw here refer to this road as El Camino Real and only a few places you will see the 82 sign. People driving to the area for the first time will most likely be confused to try to find "Eight Two" when there was no signs pointing to 82, rather just El Camino Real. The El Camino Real name is still showing on the map so it's not like people will get lost for this. But it will surely be nice if they can try to use the most common name for a section of the road.
Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 1419 Location: Long Island
Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:33 pm
My Magellan calls a number of streets around town by the county road number even though no one refers to them that way. I'm thinking this is more of a map issue than a unit problem.
My Magellan calls a number of streets around town by the county road number even though no one refers to them that way. I'm thinking this is more of a map issue than a unit problem.
Correct...it must be a change to the map that triggered that.
- Much improved software stability
- Improved text to speech voice performance and volume
-Improved map features for several regions.
- Better routing in NA, better POIs in EMEA, Speed Camera data for Australia.
- Additional keyboard and character input support, now with keyboard support for English, Greek, Russian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Turkey, French, German, and Hungarian.
- Improved address matching from contacts
- Clock time out of sync issues
- 3D performance rendering enhancements
There will be another release for Europe soon with the 2007.10 maps and HP is working on a different update method than content manager so you can download it without device connected.
With this last update even on hp support forums site owners all over are complaining reboot, and crashes.
The person who who was in charged should be fired for being so stupid, having thousands of owners download almost 1.5gig from one server, did that person not think that would cause bandwidth/file transfer problems.
As you will do doubt recall, the firmware update crashed my 310, it was shipped back to HP Repair Friday morning, April 11. Just received word from HP that a unit, don't know if it's another swap or the same unit repaired, is already on its way back to me ... should get it tomorrow before noon. I've been a little critical of HP lately, and for just cause I may add; but I can't fault them for their customer service. It doesn't come any better, I'd say!
Uncle Ben, I find when it comes to a warranty issue HP has excellemt support.
Two years ago bought a hp 20" business monitor 3 year warranty and after a few days it died. HP sent a replacement to my house and I used the same box prepaid ups slip was included and I sent it back to them.
They are sending me a prepaid package to send back my ipaq to them. Not sure how they will fix it? Load the old software or send me another with the current software that reboots on contacts entry etc.
Curious your unit will it have the latest update that reboot when you try and add a contact or navigate from the main menu or the older one.
Did you have to pay for the shipping to hp or they sent prepaid.
I wonder if you have the old software can you just update the maps and poi, one user on gpspassion did that after the current software has issues ?
Uncle Ben, I find when it comes to a warranty issue HP has excellemt support.
Two years ago bought a hp 20" business monitor 3 year warranty and after a few days it died. HP sent a replacement to my house and I used the same box prepaid ups slip was included and I sent it back to them.
They are sending me a prepaid package to send back my ipaq to them. Not sure how they will fix it? Load the old software or send me another with the current software that reboots on contacts entry etc.
Curious your unit will it have the latest update that reboot when you try and add a contact or navigate from the main menu or the older one.
Did you have to pay for the shipping to hp or they sent prepaid.
I wonder if you have the old software can you just update the maps and poi, one user on gpspassion did that after the current software has issues ?
I have to assume that the unit coming back, be it the one I sent them fixed or a swap, will have all the latest firmware upgrades ... if not, then my sentiments towards HP will take another downward dive. I agee with your comments regarding HP's customer service, this has been my experience as well with a number of HP products. If there are issues with the new software, well so be it, we'll have to deal with them. Be careful with what users say and claim about their 310's behaviour - many have hacked their devices, at their own risks and perils. I reserve judgment on that until I get mine back and test it.
And yes, HP sent be a box with prepaid UPS back to them. Excellent service indeed.
Uncle Ben, my loaner isn't hacked, yet I did have fatal error on first update try. Also still have some stability issues after update. This thing has a lot of potential, but it doesn't look like HP is as committed to making it work as, say, TomTom, Garmin or Navigon. Voices have been the biggest consistant complaint, yet very little has been done. Little thought was given to the update method, IMO, and it seems way too many issues went unresolved (ped mode, power button, qwerty key size, redundent on-screen info, map colors) while removing state has created a need to type in the entire town name, then choose from a list. I don't see that as quicker in very many cases, in fact quite often slower. The HP has a LOT of features well done, but little effort shown so far in correcting items of complaint.
Agreed. I think you just echoed similar comments I've made in other threads. Notwithstanding, I never said that units without hacks would be without problems. If you read my comment, I was giving the poster a word of caution, because there are many users out there who have modified their 3xx in some way or other ...Capice!
Oh, man, I just read your first impressions ... I'm afraid to think about how many tomes your final exposé will have.
I'm probably about done. Sorry it was so long. Listened to my wife all the way back from Atlanta, so needed a little "me" time here. Maybe a lot. Actually, maybe a little too much. Was a bit long, huh?
I'm probably about done. Sorry it was so long. Listened to my wife all the way back from Atlanta, so needed a little "me" time here. Maybe a lot. Actually, maybe a little too much. Was a bit long, huh?
I was only kidding! Oh man, aren't we sensitive tonight...
But kidding aside, was it too long ... as I said, it will be interesting to see how many tomes your f... I'm kidding, I'm kidding!
Uncle Ben, my loaner isn't hacked, yet I did have fatal error on first update try. Also still have some stability issues after update. This thing has a lot of potential, but it doesn't look like HP is as committed to making it work as, say, TomTom, Garmin or Navigon. Voices have been the biggest consistant complaint, yet very little has been done. Little thought was given to the update method, IMO, and it seems way too many issues went unresolved (ped mode, power button, qwerty key size, redundent on-screen info, map colors) while removing state has created a need to type in the entire town name, then choose from a list. I don't see that as quicker in very many cases, in fact quite often slower. The HP has a LOT of features well done, but little effort shown so far in correcting items of complaint.
I diasagree here.
It is MUCH more stable than before and I have restored all my mods (almost, as I wont redo day 3D colour) and never got a single fatal error.
I do have the auto reboot when dealing with Contacts though, but it is fast.
Map redraws are now very very fast.
PED mode was a DELIBERATE disable from HP for legal reason, but simple hack restores it.
Who sez HP is not as committed? They dont make the software and are dependent on NavNgo who were busy working on THIER own release of iGo8 for Today, actually. Now that Mio has left them, HP must have assumed much more importance as a partner to NavNgo and I predict they will be MORE attentive to HP as a customer going forward. HP is probably busy planning the iPaq 320 as we speak, but I do know that they have more in store for the 310.
TTS voices? They definitely were re-architected and improved. They are louder and a bit clearer and the filesize improved. However they trail Garmin/TT. Personally, its no longer and issue for me, as I have a hack that puts my Susan voice on par with the leaders! LoL
The update method wwas poor, but HP has committed to improving it, if sources are to be believed. I put some of the blame on NavNgo as Robbo in the comments section of the iPaq review traced the server paths for the update and it has like 24 jumps...one of which was to Hungary (NavNgo HQ) for authentication. HP need to pressure NavNgo to be more responsive and creative, as HP will ultimately get the blame.
Some of what you called issues, I guess they did not see it that way (like keyboard). I dont have a prob with the keyboard. HP concentrated on cleaning the guts of the nav software and has made a significant improvement. Of course the messy update negated some of that...though I must say, I updated in one go with not a single hitch. It took 7.5 hours for everything though!
BTW, you dont have to type the entire city name at all! First 4 letters or so is enough.
Finally, I am most disappointed about the power switch. Apparently, this is a hardware design flaw that cant be easily remedied, so I dont think any fix will be forthcoming for this.
I'm probably about done. Sorry it was so long. Listened to my wife all the way back from Atlanta, so needed a little "me" time here. Maybe a lot. Actually, maybe a little too much. Was a bit long, huh?
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