The benefits.
They have added a possibility to search for a street on a regional language.
Before it was impossible to search in ukrainian, now You can choose any language. It's great!
Changes are pretty subtle so far. Susan's voice is still as bad in my opinion. Decided to just switch to Amy. Arrow noted above also seen, haven't observed any lane changes yet. Still cannot automatically set TimeZone based on position. Small differences in some of the bitmaps. Transparency of map buttons seems a bit lighter. Lock to road still as aggressive.
Changes are pretty subtle so far. Susan's voice is still as bad in my opinion. Decided to just switch to Amy. Arrow noted above also seen, haven't observed any lane changes yet. Still cannot automatically set TimeZone based on position. Small differences in some of the bitmaps. Transparency of map buttons seems a bit lighter. Lock to road still as aggressive.
Road lock is meant to be fierce, because you can disable it!
Shouldn't be either/or if it's that aggressive IMHO. For example, driving into this complex, the 760 releases and shows correct position approx 50' in. The 310 continues to show me on the main highway approx 150' off.
No added features or customization. No speed limit info noted. All in all a disappointing update if I OWNED this.
Shouldn't be either/or if it's that aggressive IMHO. For example, driving into this complex, the 760 releases and shows correct position approx 50' in. The 310 continues to show me on the main highway approx 150' off.
No added features or customization. No speed limit info noted. All in all a disappointing update if I OWNED this.
I agree about the update.
However, I have some new info, so it seems we may have been hasty. Unlike TT which we all complain about in that they prefer to release new features than fix fundamental issues, it seems HP took a different tack.
Full system update tool in a month. (device recovery pack)
Some other regions to get free map upgrades in the near future. (W. Europe and Singapore).
Software improvements will continue in the future. This is not the last of it.
PED mode is deliberately not a supported option. (legal reasons, I guess). Modders will just have to do their thing!
The disappointment for me is that the on/off switch wont change. I guess that is a hardware limitation. I guess I will have to live with the workaround, ie removing the battery cover when there is a danger of accidental turn ons.
Finally a complete install Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:06 pm
From yesterday evening 7pm and over night by this morning 9am I was able to download the balance 950megs.
During lastnight the download process I had errors that it could not copy certain files and had to keep selecting re-entry.
I was scared that overnight I would have that pop up and stop the balance of download.
Once the download was complete, from there it took about 25-30mins to copy to the ipaq. If I enable hidden files under my settings I see under hp.com/cache there is 1.14gig of files. If anybody locally wants then I can copy it to a dvd.
Had to go out this morning, still from my home if I put my work as destination it does not route me properly still wants me to exit before my exit and if I still continue to Woodbine Ave it wants me to go north pull a U turn south on Woodbine Ave.
The Usa Susan TTS is a little better as I mention before but I realise that if they slow down the speed and pitch it would be much better, Susan you don't need to talk so fast slow down like Amy. The sound is still a little warbly like talking under water, but definately improved on the choppy effect. I can live with this for now but still use Amy mostly.
Had to reset my poi on what's to display and notice for the same settings there are more poi being displayed.
infama is the mods for the car pools for Europe only.
Re: Finally a complete install Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:14 pm
MTurbo wrote:
From yesterday evening 7pm and over night by this morning 9am I was able to download the balance 950megs.
During lastnight the download process I had errors that it could not copy certain files and had to keep selecting re-entry.
I was scared that overnight I would have that pop up and stop the balance of download.
Once the download was complete, from there it took about 25-30mins to copy to the ipaq. If I enable hidden files under my settings I see under hp.com/cache there is 1.14gig of files. If anybody locally wants then I can copy it to a dvd.
Had to go out this morning, still from my home if I put my work as destination it does not route me properly still wants me to exit before my exit and if I still continue to Woodbine Ave it wants me to go north pull a U turn south on Woodbine Ave.
The Usa Susan TTS is a little better as I mention before but I realise that if they slow down the speed and pitch it would be much better, Susan you don't need to talk so fast slow down like Amy. The sound is still a little warbly like talking under water, but definately improved on the choppy effect. I can live with this for now but still use Amy mostly.
Had to reset my poi on what's to display and notice for the same settings there are more poi being displayed.
infama is the mods for the car pools for Europe only.
I have a 310! So I dont know the details of the changes for the 314 nd 316. Carpool Lane avoid was restored to my 310.
What mods are U looking for?
I can even send you the files for the mod, but it would be better if I check them first to make sure they are still valid or need tweaking after the update.
All I was interested is the car pool lanes and maybe add some color.
What does it add colors to.
I found it sorry it was under the Nav and not OS folder. Checking now.
Ok found it but it wont allow me to save it there, suggest to another directory.
What do you guys do copy the file unzip it mod it and zip and copy it back ?
Thanks
Turbo, be very careful here.
You have to make sure of the destination of the files. Normally is in Nav>data.zip->...
What you do is make a copy of the working (current data.zip) and store it on your PC.
Then you copy the files you will modify to the desktop. Open with Notepad or Winword and save to the desktop. You then open the data.zip on the device to the destination you need and copy the modified file over the original file. This will take a bit longer than normal as the file will have to recompress into data.zip. The whole folder is always compressed.
Never do the modification within the datazip folder, as the target files need to be uncompressed first. Also, always keep a backup of the last working data.zip file.
As I said, I have night and day color mods, pedestrian mode, drive safely mod, overspeed warning and volume boost mod.
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infama, thanks I did copy the entire data.zip file and stored it on my hard drive and worked with a copy of that in another directory.
I decide to try it again and I was able to see the ipaq drive on my computer, so I copied back the orginal data.zip file and then unplug the ipaq and then turn it on and press in the reset button on the side.
It booted and said it will restore factory setting poi etc and I said yes.
Phew it worked I will it alone.
I won't worry about the car pool lanes. We do have those lanes on a few highways here and really wonder it it would display. Maybe Uncle Ben night since he lives in Ontario and when he gets into the city.
By the way I do see under the Route icon, under Route Calculation Method and under Avoidances there is a box that was checked off Carpool I did not notice tis option before so I unchecked it. So does mean the HP supports car pool lanes now.
I realise the problem it zip the folder data.zip and then under it was data and the other directories. It created additional directory data instead of zipping all under data.
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Well I finished downloading the update. Neither CM or the iPAQ crashed at anytime during the whole process. CM did start saying it couldn't download files towards the end of the update, so I clicked cancel and then redid the update all procedure. CM, had stored what it already downloaded, so it resumed properly.
After copying the files to the iPaq, I had to tell it to erase all my personal info otherwise it wouldn't start--would just keep resetting. I guess that could count as a crash, not sure if that was normal or not.
I have noticed these changes(some have already been posted)
-TTS voices do sound louder, though the pronunciations seem the unchanged.
--Highway symbols appear along with the name, where just the name used to be.
--Avoid Carpool lanes available
--When searching for an address, you no longer enter the state (I hope they bring that back, now I have a list of places that I have to scroll through and doesn't guess as quickly as a result)
--Input keyboard can change case, add numbers, symbols, smaller keys
--Maps render faster, can be manipulated more smoothly.
--Animated direction arrows on route roads.
--Overall responsiveness of system substantially improves(menus load faster, POI search is faster)
--POI icons seem slightly smaller on map.
--All POI visibility is initially turned off immediately after update.
--Cities now appear as dots on the route when your traveling through them(maybe was there before, I don't remember seeing that).
On hp chat with a cust service. Having a major reboot.
Now with the latest software if I go to contacts and then tell it to navigate to that person the unit reboots. This is very fustrating. I hope its not going to take months to fix this problem.
Tried this 3 times, oh crap...
Just tried entering a new contact and at the end when I select the green check it rebooted.
I was just online with hp chat they are sending me prepaid box to send in the unit they will fix it or exchange it within 5 to 7 days of them shipping out the box. Guess they will reimage the ipaq or replace it with one with the older software.
It’s a relief to find out its not only me encountering problems. I also posted on gpspassion and someone also tried to enter a contact and their ipaq rebooted too.
Don't HP test the update before release on several units or are we the guinea pigs.
Once owner also commented that the signal strength is definitely lower, I agree.
Just got off the online support most likely said they will exchange the unit.
This is one messed up update HP released, they are going to have a headache on their hands with this one.
I was just online with hp chat they are sending me prepaid box to send in the unit they will fix it or exchange it within 5 to 7 days of them shipping out the box. Guess they will reimage the ipaq or replace it with one with the older software.
It’s a relief to find out its not only me encountering problems. I also posted on gpspassion and someone also tried to enter a contact and their ipaq rebooted too.
Don't HP test the update before release on several units or are we the guinea pigs.
Once owner also commented that the signal strength is definitely lower, I agree.
Just got off the online support most likely said they will exchange the unit.
This is one messed up update HP released, they are going to have a headache on their hands with this one.
You will definitely get it back with the new software.
On hp chat with a cust service. Having a major reboot.
Now with the latest software if I go to contacts and then tell it to navigate to that person the unit reboots. This is very fustrating. I hope its not going to take months to fix this problem.
Tried this 3 times, oh crap...
Just tried entering a new contact and at the end when I select the green check it rebooted.
I think the update process messed you up. Contact navigation is meant to work better.
The update itself seems solid, but the process of downloading it is NOT!
So are you saying they will ship with the same latest software so the ipaq still wont be able to enter in any new contacts and still encounter reboots and low signal strength? Oh noooo.
If they send me back a ipaq with the new software that works, Im fine with that. but if I get it back and its the same I wont be too happy.
Did you try and enter in a contact, did you get a reboot or try to navigate to one from the contact screen? There is a works around to navigate to the contacts as I just read on gpspassion.
In the map display, select home icon, go to, >(icon,next) and then contacts and then green check mark.
So are you saying they will ship with the same latest software so the ipaq still wont be able to enter in any new contacts and still encounter reboots and low signal strength? Oh noooo.
If they send me back a ipaq with the new software that works, Im fine with that. but if I get it back and its the same I wont be too happy.
Did you try and enter in a contact, did you get a reboot or try to navigate to one from the contact screen? There is a works around to navigate to the contacts as I just read on gpspassion.
In the map display, select home icon, go to, >(icon,next) and then contacts and then green check mark.
Never had contacts before.
So I entered one and blam, a reboot occured.
I then waited for the reset to end and then I navigated to it and no problem so far.
You are lucky as after each reboot if I try and enter a contact or try and navigate to a contact from the contact tcon/menu and then say nagivate mine reboots everytime.
Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 17 Location: United States
Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:19 pm
I have personally liked some of the updates of the application so far, next turn arrow on map is better, the TTS was just marginally improved, but with the volume hack available work pretty good, but the actual voice still could be a lot better in my opinion. I think the unit is faster in refreshing the maps in motion, I think the showing of the terrain is a little improved. The overall speed in menus and response to touch commands seams to be faster. The addition of the icons in the scroll area of the next turn, is a nice touch.
The update process that HP has for this product could be greatly improved upon. They should be able to offer these as individual files, the NAV portion, voices, firmware, maps ect as downloads, then you should be able to apply them to the unit in two totally different processes. Their servers are just down right bad. The bandwidth they offer is woefully inadequate, to take 9 hours to download 700 megabytes of information here three days after the release is just ridiculous ( I am on a 3 Meg connection) with 3,750 kbps. The people having problems with this update by downloading just portions of this update at a time, should not be an issue. If this update needs to be done in one full session, then HP should not offer these as individual selections on Content Manager. With that being said, I personally have not had an issue with this update done in my first three sessions, we will see with the this last one.
I sure hope that HP can improve this unit and processes, but if their record in the last six months, that the 310 has been on the market, is any measure, it looks like the HP 310 will not have a very good or long life with the consumers.
Is there many others having trouble with the contacts, entering or navigating too? I cannot test my unit, I am a third of the way with updating the last state maps and points of interest.
I am beginning to think that HP, is just not doing their homework with this product. I am thinking that they are using us, their customers as guinea pigs as MTurbo said. Looks like Hp and the Ipaq 310 was not ready for Prime Time six months ago and still are not.
Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 1419 Location: Long Island
Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:40 pm
Ok, now I am thinking that when I get my unit I will wait a little while before doing any updates. This sounds like the Magellan Maestro updates all over again and I still have nightmares from that experience................
If you read on gpspassion others are experiencing rebooting while trying to access contacts and trying to navigate to them directly or even trying to enter a new contact.
I’m really disappointed that HP did not spend the time to properly test the update on the gps before releasing this update. I’m sure HP got complaints on the tts American(Susan) is bad how many updates will it take to correct it, are they not aware of current issues.
I find when Susan speaks/announce the name of the street she talks very fast and that makes it worse.
Infama maybe with your HP contact you can let them be aware of the issues and hopfully release new patches.
If I get the HP back with a older software I wonder if I can just update the maps, poi and voices?
If you read on gpspassion others are experiencing rebooting while trying to access contacts and trying to navigate to them directly or even trying to enter a new contact.
I’m really disappointed that HP did not spend the time to properly test the update on the gps before releasing this update. I’m sure HP got complaints on the tts American(Susan) is bad how many updates will it take to correct it, are they not aware of current issues.
I find when Susan speaks/announce the name of the street she talks very fast and that makes it worse.
Infama maybe with your HP contact you can let them be aware of the issues and hopfully release new patches.
If I get the HP back with a older software I wonder if I can just update the maps, poi and voices?
HP follows these fora and Yes, I have fed back most of the gripes to my contacts.
I am unsure if the update itself is the main culprit, or if its more about the sloppy delivery process!
One thing I like after upgrade is the fact that State is no longer needed. You go straight to city and it proposes all the cities that fit to the first several letters in the different states.
Same for Canada if you choose the "all states" option.
The main feature I was longing for is not reased in this firmware. It is impossible to convert tracks into routes. It is even impossible to import *.kml files (that is possible, but route planner is grey).
The main feature I was longing for is not reased in this firmware. It is impossible to convert tracks into routes. It is even impossible to import *.kml files (that is possible, but route planner is grey).
I read at GPSPassion that you can import via CM now and the Route Planner is no longer greyed out!
The main feature I was longing for is not reased in this firmware. It is impossible to convert tracks into routes. It is even impossible to import *.kml files (that is possible, but route planner is grey).
I read at GPSPassion that you can import via CM now and the Route Planner is no longer greyed out!
Me? No, it wasn't me. I remember this post, but it was about importing tracks created on ipaq.com/navigate. I have meant tracks which were recorded on IPAQ 310 then exported to .gpx and then converted to .kml.
The main feature I was longing for is not reased in this firmware. It is impossible to convert tracks into routes. It is even impossible to import *.kml files (that is possible, but route planner is grey).
I read at GPSPassion that you can import via CM now and the Route Planner is no longer greyed out!
Me? No, it wasn't me. I remember this post, but it was about importing tracks created on ipaq.com/navigate. I have meant tracks which were recorded on IPAQ 310 then exported to .gpx and then converted to .kml.
Sorry, I meant 'one could' not 'you could'. I understand what you mean now. Pity though, that would be neat!
Yesterday I was driving around the city and faced strange behavior of 310's navigation. There were several traffic jams which I had to detour, but the navigation system always tried to put me back on the old route which was 2 or 3 kilolmeters behind and I had dfferent direction.
I disliked this very much. Does anybody know how to fix it?
Yesterday I was driving around the city and faced strange behavior of 310's navigation. There were several traffic jams which I had to detour, but the navigation system always tried to put me back on the old route which was 2 or 3 kilolmeters behind and I had dfferent direction.
I disliked this very much. Does anybody know how to fix it?
Normal behaviour, the 310 thinks that you're going off your route and is trying to get you back onto it; it will continue to do this for a while, until it realizes that you've selected another route and will eventually recalculate the route accordingly. One quick way to avoid the constant reminders is to use the Avoid function - You press on the job wheel, select Avoid and then the distance that you want to avoid. If you do this just before you go off the active active route, the route recalculation will take place immediately. The iGO software is a little slower than others at recognizing a voluntary change in routing and doing its recalculating a new route - I find myself using the Avoid function often ... or just lower the volume until the recalc kicks in.
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The sound is still a little warbly like talking under water, but definately improved on the choppy effect. I can live with this for now but still use Amy mostly.
