Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 244 Location: West Coast, US
Garmin NT Navigator 2009 ( U.S. ) Review Fri May 02, 2008 12:14 pm
Garmin finally released its NT Navigator 2009 on May 1, 2008.
For those who been through this upgrade procedure last year, we knew Garmin's NT 2008 is actually Navteq's 4th Quarter 2006 version.
How about NT 2009?
All img files of NT 2009 has modified date of March 4, 2008.
Does that mean it is Navteq's 1st Quarter 2008 version?
Unfortunately, nope!
Let me give you an example..
1111 Army Navy Dr Arlington VA
This Apartment building has been there since late 70s. Although its address is "on" Army Navy Dr, but it actually sit on S. Joyce St.
Oct. 2007, Navteq has finally correct this particular address to its "rightful spot". - you can see the correction has been made on Map Google. (mapquest, Yahoo map still yet to correct it)
Now, if you will. Try that on your NT 2008, NT 2009 and you will notice, that particular address still on the wrong spot.
How about POI? Let's take CompUSA, shall we?
We all know CompUSA closed almost 80% of its retail store across the U.S. on early April 2007.
Obviously, your NT 2008 version still populated w/ CompUSA. Thankfully, I see no sign of CompUSA in my region w/ NT 2009.
I did notice lots POI update in this new version.
So............ do you really need to upgrade?
If it is NOT free, you might just want to wait a bit.
If you can't find your address, maybe I could try w/ my NT 2009 and tell you if it is in there.
Last edited by luv2review on Fri May 02, 2008 1:03 pm; edited 1 time in total
Hey luv2review, nice to see you around. So are you saying that the new map is based on a NAVTEQ release before October of 2007 since you saw the correction then on Google Maps but it isn't in the new Garmin map?
Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 244 Location: West Coast, US
Fri May 02, 2008 12:38 pm
I suspect it is 4th Q 2007 version. (4th Q usually mean collection of previous 9 month ) And that particular address wasn't corrected until Oct. 2007 (which wil be collection of 1st Q of following year )
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Fairfax, VA
Hmm Fri May 02, 2008 3:28 pm
I might have to disagree, I'm almost 100% sure its first quarter 2008. Here is why. In Fairfax VA where I live, Legato Road used to stop about 50 feet from Post Forest Drive. I submitted numerous reports to Navteq telling them this road now extends all the way. The first one in March of 2007. The last one was Jan 20th 2008 (and it still was not updated) April 3rd of 2008 I received an email from Navteq stating it was updated. I checked and sure enough it was. When I received my 2009 Map from Garmin, they had the road fixed too.
Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 244 Location: West Coast, US
Re: Hmm Fri May 02, 2008 5:10 pm
howie411 wrote:
I might have to disagree, I'm almost 100% sure its first quarter 2008. Here is why. In Fairfax VA where I live, Legato Road used to stop about 50 feet from Post Forest Drive. I submitted numerous reports to Navteq telling them this road now extends all the way. The first one in March of 2007. The last one was Jan 20th 2008 (and it still was not updated) April 3rd of 2008 I received an email from Navteq stating it was updated. I checked and sure enough it was. When I received my 2009 Map from Garmin, they had the road fixed too.
May I ask how do you comes to the conclusion that "it still was not updated" between March 2007 to Jan 20th 2008?
Assuming it is indeed updated AFTER Jan. 20th 2008, that will make this data fresh to their 2nd Quarter publishing (April 2008), NOT 1st Quarter (Jan 2008)
Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 244 Location: West Coast, US
Fri May 02, 2008 6:27 pm
howie411 wrote:
You are able to go to Navteq.com and check their maps. So I would constantly go to their website and check their most current maps.
Actually Navteq's own website is hardly up-to-date, that might be the reason you think it is 1st Quarter of 2008 and thought update has been made AFTER Jan. 20, 2008.
Again, take the address I provided on the top.
You can plot it into Nevteq's Client Google and MSN map (Both are correct)
Now, you can plot the same address into Nevteq's website and you will find that address still sit on the wrong spot.
Therefore, I believed your "POI" was updated prior to release of 1st Q of 2008.
If above address still doesn't convince you, let's take something MAJOR and NEW. Washington Nationals Park
http://mlb.mlb.com/was/ballpark/newstadium.jsp
1400 S Capitol St SE
Washington, DC 20003
was completed and open on March 30th 2008 to host baseball game.
However, the O st and P st wasn't connected between 1st SE to S. Capital St until Nov of 2008.
Now, if this NT 2009 is indeed Q1 2008 version, then I am sure you can see these two street been connected in your Garmin. ( Unfortunately, they aren't, nor they show connected on Navteq's website )
* oh, it does show they are connected on Google map though
Last edited by luv2review on Fri May 02, 2008 7:48 pm; edited 5 times in total
Luv2 review, do you have any guesses as to why .img file update is March08? Perhaps additional speed limit data after 4th qtr 07 (As it's now quite extensive)? I can certainly see why there can be confusion.
Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 244 Location: West Coast, US
Fri May 02, 2008 7:11 pm
gatorguy wrote:
Luv2 review, do you have any guesses as to why .img file update is March08? Perhaps additional speed limit data after 4th qtr 07 (As it's now quite extensive)? I can certainly see why there can be confusion.
Sorry, I have no idea why they were last updated on March 4, 2008.
Perhaps, when Garmin purchased the raw map from Navteq, they do need time to convert into Garmin format, edit, created system file, packaging design, setting product code, sent to DVD manufacture for final product, update, testing, and released to public? Software product cycle does take long time to complete.
Apparently the NAVTEQ copyright date is in 2008, not the Garmin date. That would seem to indicate that whatever Navteq sold to Garmin was completed in 2008. Perhaps not the map image data, since you've apparently determined one address dating from October. Of course it's quite possible that, similar to a couple of "old" addresses that appeared in "new" TomTom map data, that's it's simply a case of some bit of older or uncorrected data that made it into a 1st qtr 08 Navteq Mapset sale to Garmin. That's why it is somewhat confusing. First maps from Garmin went out to resellers about April 15th.
Ahh. . . the mystery deepens. On boot up it reads Navteq copyright 2008.
So at the worst, it's what everyone expected to begin with, as early speculation was 3rd qtr 07, now likely 4th qtr 07, with a possibility open of 1st qtr 08.
Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 244 Location: West Coast, US
Fri May 02, 2008 8:24 pm
gatorguy wrote:
Ahh. . . the mystery deepens. On boot up it reads Navteq copyright 2008.
So at the worst, it's what everyone expected to begin with, as early speculation was 3rd qtr 07, now likely 4th qtr 07, with a possibility open of 1st qtr 08.
I might not take boot up screen too seriously.
( It is not uncommon for comsumer tech product to change its actual manufacture date and rebadge it, such as many motherboard where changing bootup screen date (bios) can be done quite easily.
NT 2008 version has boot up screen of Navteq copyright 2007, when it is clearly 4th Q, 2006 map.
I remembered back then, Air Force Memorial, next to Pentagon, Arlington VA was completed on Oct. 2006 and wasn't even on NT 2008 version.
Last edited by luv2review on Fri May 02, 2008 11:05 pm; edited 2 times in total
Either way, I fairly pleased with the update. For $55 including shipping, the addition of extensive speed limit display data, the updated/corrected poi's and the additional highway and tollroad extension info, especially in the Orlando and Tampa area, was well worth my investment.
I assume that the speed limit display is dependent on which unit you're using. I have yet to see it on my nuvi 360, and I just upgraded to the 2009 version.
I have a question, both my wife and I have Garmin nuvi devices, I have the 750 and my wife has the 350. If I were to purchase the 2009 map update can I put it on both of our nuvi's or would I have to purchase two copies?
Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 244 Location: West Coast, US
Fri May 02, 2008 10:37 pm
REM wrote:
I have a question, both my wife and I have Garmin nuvi devices, I have the 750 and my wife has the 350. If I were to purchase the 2009 map update can I put it on both of our nuvi's or would I have to purchase two copies?
I believe you will need two copies.
Some claim single "Product code" capable of updating 2 devices, but it just never happen to me. We must have 6 or 7 Garmin lying around our office.
Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 162 Location: Northern Va, US
Sat May 03, 2008 12:05 am
GatorGuy...if you don't mind my asking, where did you find it for $55 inc. shipping? Garmin is selling for $69 and I found it on Amazon for $61. I need two copies so every little bit helps. Plus, $55 is a big difference over $69.
Joined: 12 Aug 2007 Posts: 17 Location: aka RoboGps
Sun May 04, 2008 11:37 pm
For those who live in NY or CT and travel throughout the northeast (as I do extensively - all throughout New England as well as PA), don't waste your time or money on the 2009 map update.
I found that glaring errors still exist with roads and routing, errors in POI's from the 2008 maps are still there, new large businesses (ie BOA) that have opened the last couple of years don't show up, and major road construction completed in early 2006 (I84 for instance, where exits have changed) haven't been updated.
To make matters worse, Garmin advertises these cities and regions as "enhanced." Maybe you'll find a couple of new esoteric POI's here and there, but it is hardly worth it, in my opinion. I updated my 260 for free since I was eligible, but will not be updating my 350 or SP 2820. It just wouldn't make sense for me.
Again, this feedback concerns the northeast - mainly NY, CT, RI, MA and PA. You mileage may vary in other regions.
Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 19 Location: Milton, ON Canada
SPEED LIMIT ... Wed May 07, 2008 3:37 pm
rocket scientist wrote:
I assume that the speed limit display is dependent on which unit you're using. I have yet to see it on my nuvi 360, and I just upgraded to the 2009 version.
i too have the nuvi360 ... you are just talking about displays, right? what about an alert? would the 360 alert you if you are exceeding the speed limit because i haven't had the chance to take my 360 for a test run since updating ...
I've driven with my 360 once since the update, and didn't hear any alerts. The 300 series doesn't seem to have any awareness of the map speed limit data, either as a visual display or an audio alert.
Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 303 Location: Central California
Wed May 07, 2008 11:39 pm
I have not found anything to endear me to the new update.
A couple of streets now have the wrong name. I also found that some of the vehicles I have installed act differently. These are icons I got somewhere off the net. One car is about 1/4 the size it used to be. Another car no longer has the glare that moves across the rear window.
Also noticed that when approaching an intersection, the car is already in it. At the same time the Nuvi says the intersection is farther than it is by 100 feet or more.
Used to be these kinds of things worked perfectly.
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 237 Location: Phoenix, AZ
Thu May 08, 2008 9:40 am
We updated my roommate's 250W a couple days ago and I think we may go back to the 2008 maps - there's some seriously weird stuff going on with the routing now using the 2009 ones.
Driving from our place in Phoenix down to Tucson is something we do a lot (families live there) and the 2008 maps give the correct fastest routing to get to I-10 going south from our place (exact same route that Google Maps shows too). After the 2009 update, it says to go on a whole bunch of surface streets and stuff instead of the freeways when getting out of the Phoenix area that are absolutely not faster, in fact they're a huge amount slower. I don't know what happened (we made sure freeways weren't set to avoid and that fastest time was selected) but there's something screwed up.
We updated my roommate's 250W a couple days ago and I think we may go back to the 2008 maps - there's some seriously weird stuff going on with the routing now using the 2009 ones.
Driving from our place in Phoenix down to Tucson is something we do a lot (families live there) and the 2008 maps give the correct fastest routing to get to I-10 going south from our place (exact same route that Google Maps shows too). After the 2009 update, it says to go on a whole bunch of surface streets and stuff instead of the freeways when getting out of the Phoenix area that are absolutely not faster, in fact they're a huge amount slower. I don't know what happened (we made sure freeways weren't set to avoid and that fastest time was selected) but there's something screwed up.
It seems to be the norm that manufacturers screw up map updates in their processing. I think the maps are getting so large that they are compressing more and more to fit limited spaces on their legacy machines and messing up in the effort.
Some people have had complaints towards TT for similar things in version 7 maps as well.
Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 30 Location: upstate NY
I Called Wed May 14, 2008 12:28 pm
When I called and spoke to the Garmin Rep last week he told me that there were some issues on the 2009 map update esp with the 200 series. I have a 260W which is eligible for the free update. He advised me that they are working on it and to wait 3 or 4 days before trying to update. I haven't done it yet and I am going to wait for awhile longer if I do it at all!.
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